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Answerman - What Will The Trans-Pacific Partnership Do To Anime?


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mangamuscle



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:50 pm Reply with quote
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I would personally love to see some of these pirate streaming websites get shut down, but is that worth taking down innocent fan works? Probably not.


The thing is, at least in my country, law enforcement is fighting a bloody war against organized crime, millions are spent each year (some of that money comes from the USA Merida initiative) and it is still not enough. Said law enforcement would have to use a huge chunk resources (men and money) to instate the USA view of copyright? Give me a break!
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Harima



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:51 pm Reply with quote
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Engineering Nerd



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:15 pm Reply with quote
I am kind of confused, someone please educate me.

I thought TPP is no more than a over-complicated political scheme and trade blockade against China and Russia, so how did it bring THAT much trouble to the countries who are signing it? Does conforming to US laws a big concern to other countries.


Sorry, I don't follow news often, but since I have relatives and friends living in Japan, Korea and China, I am sure TPP will affect me indirectly somehow.
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Harima



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:30 pm Reply with quote
Read the article in the above link to understand why this is a dangerous thing with severe consequences on everyone's lives in the concerned countries.
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steelmirror



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:25 pm Reply with quote
Thank you for a pretty even-handed and honest presentation of the TTP and its effect on this fandom in particular. I am personally a supporter of the TPP for a whole bunch of reasons, and even I have a few worries about how it treats IP (particularly with things like patents on pharmaceuticals, but that's not really the topic to get into here on ANN).

Hopefully as the discussion matures and people start reading and digesting the relevant articles from the agreement, we will hear more specifics from both sides. Even more hopefully, this will prove a boon for the manga and anime industries in the long run! As other countries in the agreement lower their trade barriers and integrate their economies, new markets will open up and people will be able to attain legally content that has simply been unavailable to them (save for pirated versions online) until now.

In any case, keep up the honest commentary. This column is great and I enjoy reading it every time.
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kanjineogeo



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:28 pm Reply with quote
This has been bringing up agian.

I'm probably not worried through it will go to two options

kanjineogeo wrote:
It won't pass if something most likely dramatic happens like the past ones that all fell miserably ( Like a black out we did to SOPA).

Or if it does pass which I think most likely you agree on, the economy will take a huge hit due to a loss of free ads to the internet that has bring to products. Giving an criticism against the government would reach new high on the loss of free speech. You will think as I sure will be a lot of protesters out there. So it will cause a lot of chaos as the government have no choice to revoke it. But maybe we should wait till the bad stuff happens to fix it instead of trying to stop it from happening in the first place. But it may not happen for Japan since people from this nation often don't stand up against the government even if the laws are oppressive and can hurt them.
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Karl2



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:35 pm Reply with quote
But reconsider the illegal streaming sites, because I am one of many people that can't watch much anime legally and needs these sites to be active or otherwise I'm screwed.

And if I can't support the companies that way directly, whats the point?
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meiam



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:52 pm Reply with quote
Engineering Nerd wrote:
I am kind of confused, someone please educate me.

I thought TPP is no more than a over-complicated political scheme and trade blockade against China and Russia, so how did it bring THAT much trouble to the countries who are signing it? Does conforming to US laws a big concern to other countries.


Sorry, I don't follow news often, but since I have relatives and friends living in Japan, Korea and China, I am sure TPP will affect me indirectly somehow.


Well its politic. I don't see how Russia factor in really, but as far as china, you can see it as an attempt by America to push china Toward a more American economic model rather than let China write its own rule in Asia. By laying down the rule ahead of time without China involvement there hoping that China will want to join down the road and in doing so will have to accept the current rule without being able to re write them to its advantage.
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Lili-Hime



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:07 pm Reply with quote
I just want to say I love the cover image that was picked from this, especially as the first thing I thought while reading the article was "lol Disney's sure gonna crack down on that Kingdom Hearts yaoi!"

Even with America's strict copyright laws we still get copyrighted costumes, fanart & fanfiction floating around so I doubt that'll be a problem. Idk I'm so used to people flipping out and being alarmist about these things but nothing ever happens. First it was the NDA, then SOPA/PIPA/whatever, now this. Not saying it's good... it's just that people posting things like "omg nothing will get licensed we'll be trading VHS tapes again" are prooooobably over reacting.
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scchan



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:13 pm Reply with quote
I think the problem of TPP to fandom is overstated. There seems to be enough Japanese domestic popular support to not go after fandom, so I do not think a strict enforcement is politically possible. The interpretation of a foreign treaty is at the hand of individual nation legislature, US government or corporations cannot force an interpretation on the Japanese legislature. Anyway, I do think we will see enforcement over foreign IP, and I think it will be a reasonable compromise.

If there is one thing, it is not possible for a party to sue another party for "damage" done to a third party; say Disney cannot sue Gundam or Kancolle doujin fans if Bandai or Kadokawa decides not to sue. The plaintiff must show a loss has been done against them before they can sue.
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ChrissyC



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:19 pm Reply with quote
I honestly think it can do a fair amount of justice to certain things. If someone is infringing on your copyright you should be able to pursue them and take them down without having to waste time processing the issue and allowing them to get by with it over time. Though small-scale copyright should not be affected. Such as an anime avatar or AMV.

Agreed with Answerman, there are some large scale infringements that should go down.

However by the end of it. It is hard to understand. So for the time being let`s wait for more updates and understanding. Or if you are like me and others. We should look into it a bit more.
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Somewhere



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:31 pm Reply with quote
The copyright stuff and our fandom is more of a red herring on why a person should care about the TPP.

The terrible TPP clauses explained in plain English linked earlier in the thread is a good read. The investor-state dispute settlement mechanism clause is pretty vile. The clause on food safety standards also helps paints a picture of the TPP being a play by corporations to take power from sovereign states.
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Hoppy800



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:33 pm Reply with quote
Even if IP is removed from TPP, the medical provisions can lead to the death of billions. I'd rather have it killed outright or have the medical and IP clauses removed. Also, it has clauses that would prevent importation of games and other goods.
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Lili-Hime



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:39 pm Reply with quote
Hoppy800 wrote:
Even if IP is removed from TPP, the medical provisions can lead to the death of billions.

Ok now THAT is overreacting.
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steelmirror



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:45 pm Reply with quote
Hoppy800 wrote:
Even if IP is removed from TPP, the medical provisions can lead to the death of billions.


Fun fact: if the TPP literally required that every citizen of every country that takes part in it were to be murdered, it still wouldn't kill a billion people. Very Happy

Sorry, I honestly don't mean to be insulting, but I do think that you may be overstating things a wee bit!
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