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Mysticmidnightmaiden
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Warstar77: Is there still music downloading? Yes, through both legal and illegal services. An enormous amount of people use iTunes/Amazon.com for their music fixes and there are still people who DL off of insert-P2P-here. Will there still be holes in the system for people to go? Of course. But you should still go with the flow and at least try to DL as legally as possible. That's what the future is shaping up to be, at least with Gonzo's moves. I support them, but I'm not happy that they chose CR first. When someone like BONES or Gainax starts moving, call me.
Hooray for those of you that finally realized that Asian Guy was a troll. I was looking for broken English to show his nationality, but as soon as he started not paying attention to half the stuff he quoted and commented on, it was pretty obvious. (Finally, back on topic...) This sorta feels like dealing with a person with a serious problem. We're at the stage where they finally admit they have a problem, but is blaming it on the first thing they see because they can't see the bigger picture. Like others have said before, go after the ULers, the ones with twenty Tivos and VCRs to record and digitize episodes in minutes, to stop piracy. I appreciate that they acknowledge fansub as a problem, but giving six million people a lecture isn't going to stop KJ-kun from uploading the next episode of Gundam 00, Shugo Chara, or Spice and Wolf for people to sub. (I won't list off the popular licensed shounen titles that are weekly subbed... You know and love them already...) Actually, forgive me if I'm wrong, but hasn't there been some law going around pertaining to the Japanese uploading and distribution online for anime? I remember some news article about downloading, but I don't remember which one was first... |
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Asian Guy
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Where did you get this information?
I don't know what region code my DVD player can read but it can play both Philippina and Chinese imported DVD. About the region code that is new information for me, when I said that Japanese DVD player can play Philippina or Chinese DVD is based on my own experience.
The To Heart 2 wallpaper on my Anime Forum Design are a free usage wallpaper and not copyrighted so I don't have any license from Aquaplus to use it since it is not needed, and I'm not using it to be sold back at other peoples or to any of my customer. |
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Oronae
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Try Amazon.co.jp. The ONLY official R2JP releases come in two forms 8 DVDs with 3 eps apiece (Theese are out of stock so I don't know how much they cost) and 2 collectors boxes at 13 eps and 12600 yen apiece. Your disks are not official R2JP releases. Hypocrite. |
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
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http://www.tbs.co.jp/chobits/old/goods/dvd.html
I don't know about the situation in The Philippines, but I can tell you that >99% of "imported" Chinese DVDs are region-free bootlegs, which can be played on any DVD player. I know legal R6CN DVDs exist but I have yet seen one myself. Please visit the "spotting bootlegs" thread on the Retail forum and learn more about identifying bootlegs for your own good; stop making yourself a laughing stick here. Buying bootlegs is even lower than those "anime losers" you called: at least they downloaded for free, yet you spent money on illegal products on the land where anime were made. 
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houkoholic
Posts: 83 Location: Japan |
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Since you're the one insisting you are buying legit products, shouldn't the burden of proof lie in your hands?
Never mind, 3 seconds (lit) on google was enough for me to find the information - for YOUR benefit, the DVD release information is easily obtainable at the official anime site here - The official R2JP copies of Chobits comes in 8 disks containing the main story plus 1 recap disk, and each disk contains 3 episodes. Plus there was never a boxset released to this date.
That's because bootleg DVDs never contains any region code so they play on any DVD player. All the more reasons to believe those are bootlegs. EDIT: dormcat has quick paws. *lol* |
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Ruuku-kun
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Personally I'm pretty surprised that they didn't do anything like this sooner. Maybe they have actually but I dunno. lol
Here's my view on it though: Nearing the end of the production for an anime series have a team in each company sub it and when it's aired in japan sitck the episode on a site. Then a person (such as me) can pay for it like 0.99p or sumthing round that area in people respective currency, for a single episode or if the series is complete you can buy it for sumthing like £12.00 or £24.00 depending on how many episodes there are for the anime. It would save a whole load of courtcases and what not for people who download fansubs atm, and the people who upload the RAW's from japan. Also everyone who wants to watch the subbed version can and the only have to pay something around the area of £1.00 per episode. Also it would give the Anime Industury a pretty big revenue for it as well. And there won't be the wait for fansubbers to release the episode since it'll be released when the episode is aired in japan. Does anyone agree with me on this? |
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VDZ
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Sheesh. You rich people telling us to buy every single anime DVD make me sick. I registered on this forum to post this rant:
1. Anime DVDs are very expensive over here. For example, Rozen Maiden vol. 1 costs €20. That's $30 for you American people. I'm note sure how many episodes are on a DVD - probably either 4 or 8. In the case of 4 episodes, $30 / 4 = $7,50 per episode! Even if there's 8 on the DVDs, that's still $30 / 8 = $3,75 per episode! I have about €30/month that I can spend on stuff I like. With the price of anime, even if I were to spend all of my money on anime, I could only watch a few episodes. Now, before someone tries to tell me to get a better job; trust me, I've tried. Well, that's theoretically. If I had no other choice, I would probably stop watching anime. It's great, but I only have so much money to spend. 2. Here in the Netherlands, we're not getting any anime on TV. Okay, that's not completely true. We do get a couple of children's anime, such as Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh!. Now, you probably think Yu-Gi-Oh! is a shonen anime, not a kids anime. In Japan, you're right. In the Netherlands, it's so horribly screwed up that it is only fun for children. We get all of the censorship and the like that you also get in the US; but with a horrible dub, based on the American dub. Basically, the whole show gets butchered. Well, the shows that we do get, at least. We haven't even got Naruto, FFS. Oh, did I mention yet that these anime air during the day, while I'm at school? 3. Anime is also near impossible to get where I live. Where you live, you may be able to get anime from a store near you, but I have to travel to a big city to buy one from a store, or I have to order them online, so, yes, it is possible. However, the selection of anime that we can buy is very limited, as anime here isn't nearly as popular as in the US or Japan. Add to that the fact that sometimes subtitles are flawed (French? What the hell?), and anime from the internet >>> DVD anime. 4. Like the US, it takes #$@#$@ ages for anime to arrive over here. However, here, it's even worse than in the US. We're already at volume 2 of Bleach! Hurray! No thanks, I prefer being at episode 165. 5. If something is free, you might want to check it out. If it's #$@!#$ expensive, you don't. Anime isn't very popular in the Netherlands, but because you can download it for free off the internet, its popularity is rapidly increasing. I know a couple of people who watch anime; they've all recently started watching (started less than two years ago), and they all download or stream their anime. If they had to pay $5 for every anime episode they watch, they'd never have started watching (in fact, I wouldn't have started watching either then). 6. For the same reason as above, I would also not check out any new anime. I know Bleach is very good, and if it were affordable, I might've paid for it. However, I didn't know if .hack//Sign, Rozen Maiden, He Is My Master, Mahoromatic, Karin, .hack//Roots, Naruto, Shakugan no Shana, Rental Magica, Lucky Star, Welcome to the NHK or Hunter x Hunter were any good until I started watching them. If I had to pay $5 per episode, then I would probably not have started watching any of those series, which would be a shame, since some of them are really awesome. 7. This is true for almost all piracy-related discussion: It does have positive influences. In contrast to anime, manga is actually affordable here, at €6 per volume (although it's still impossible to find - thank God for the internet). My current list of manga: *Yu-Gi-Oh! 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 *Death Note 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 (already ordered 6, should arrive soon) *Naruto 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 *Bleach 1 and 2 *Samurai Champloo 1 I started reading the Yu-Gi-Oh! manga after watching the Yu-Gi-Oh! first series anime, which was closer to the manga, but was still different in a lot of ways. I wanted more, so I read the manga. Death Note: A couple of friends of mine ILLEGALLY watch the anime, and I heard it was real good. I subscribed to the only anime magazine in The Netherlands because it sometimes writes about awesome anime (Rozen Maiden, He Is My Master, Shakugan no Shana) so that I can ILLEGALLY download and watch them, and I could pick one manga to get with my subscription. Because I heard the anime was good from people ILLEGALLY watching it, I picked Death Note. I got hooked and I also bought the other volumes released so far. Naruto: I started watching anime on the internet with Bleach. The most popular subbing group that subs Bleach (not sure if I'm allowed to mention its name) also subs Naruto, so I checked it out, and liked it. When Naruto was one of the first manga series to be released in the Netherlands, I bought it because I liked the anime after ILLEGALLY watching it. Bleach: Bleach anime is awesome. I was in a big city, where they sell US manga (Bleach isn't available in the Netherlands), and I bought a manga of the series I ILLEGALLY watch every week. Samurai Champloo: This is the only manga that was not bought because of anime I ILLEGALLY watch. After buying most of the above manga, I asked for manga for my birthday, and got Samurai Champloo. |
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Asian Guy
Posts: 118 Location: ASIA - Land Of Anime - |
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So based on the chobits official website, the 2 chobits DVD I got are copies or bootleg, I will be sure to not buy another one 
Maybe I need to recheck some of the Anime DVD and CD I got, if it turns out most or all of them are bootlegs then I will be sure not to buy them again, I mean from the same source and will look over the Anime company official website DVD contents and retail price. Thank you for the information. |
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VDZ
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Now, as for how it SHOULD be done:
Either online streaming with advertisements, or downloadable with a monthly fee. If it's affordable, I'm willing to pay for my anime, if I can watch the anime I want, and not two years after its release. Hire fansubbers, let them sub the episodes, and release them a week after they aired in Japan, at most. Put them on a site with advertisements, or through a special program with advertisements, or let people pay a monthly fee to download as much anime as they want, but they can only watch them as long as their subscription is active. There are alternatives that would work. But just yelling 'you're destroying the anime industry' or forcing us to stop watching anime off the internet won't help. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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I think what we should do is just write up generic versions of the same 4 arguments that people post in every fansub-related thread, copy-paste them over and over for 8 pages and then lock the thread.
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fran2121
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Actually Anime Source recently did a very nice editorial summing up every major argument and refuting all the faulty ones and looked at possible solutions based on the arguments that actually managed to hold water. It's a rather good read and even though I don't agree with everything that's said, it takes a surprisingly neutral and logical stance: http://www.anime-source.com/banzai/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1703&mode=&order=0&thold=0 |
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Goodpenguin
Posts: 457 Location: Hunt Valley, MD |
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I don't think he was referring to there not being many arguments to be made, but the fact that regardless what specifics are argued/debated in the forum, eventually every fan-sub thread becomes swamped with folks (earnestly but tiresomely) offering very basic 'Listen to my Manifesto!!!' points that have been de-bunked/rehashed an ungodly amount of times. It's a lively topic, but it's a shame it always resets to 'Square One', so to speak. The article you linked to is nicely written, but it honestly seems a bit (or a lot) of a re-heat of points/arguments of certain arguments from this forum (sometimes using the exact same phrasings) . It also has a pretty generic '?' formulation as to the future (and puts a lot of stock/faith in a model that has always succeed in generating eye's but failed at doing much revenue-wise), so it reads more of a 'wrap-up essay' then anything particularly insightful/new. |
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Eos
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Measures have been taken, but not towards specific anime uploaders, but those uploading copyrighted material. http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20080315TDY01305.htm |
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Asian Guy
Posts: 118 Location: ASIA - Land Of Anime - |
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If signature enabled I will put : Anime Downloaders = Anime Thief = Anime Losers. That way anyone will think twice to download or steal Anime.
Too bad the American government not doing the same with the Anime downloaders in their country. |
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Eos
Posts: 168 Location: Jersey |
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It seems like an extreme move to me. |
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