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tohu
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It's been 13 years since Neon Genensis Evangenion catapulted studio Gainex into superstardom. Gainex sure is making one heck of a show hasn't they?. Eva, consider by many as the greatest anime ever created, not only made the studio who created it into a superstar, but its director Mr. Hideake Anno a legend as well. No anime before or up to now has as much impact as it, that just a testament of how great and influential Eva is. It is doubful that Eva will be surpass or equal, the only show that come close is Cowboy Bebop, kudo to Bones and Shinikiro Wantanabe. What happened to studio Gainex and Mr. Anno since Eva up to now is very disheartening. The studio hasn't produce a hit or do anything great ever since, so is Mr. Anno, 13 years is a very long time. As a matter of fact, Gainex is not even in the news anymore that just show you how bad thing is.
The fact does not loose in my mind that they did made one movie in 2007( Eva 1.0 you are not alone), and 3 more to come. But, let face it, all four of them are not really knew, they just put new and different perspectives on the original Eva. The core remain unchange, Eva is still Eva. Sure, they have the right to do whatever they want to do with Eva, is their property. It just doen't mean that they should, and they should not mess with it. It is perfect the way it is. Doen't 2 movies after the anime ended enought already?. If you ask me, they should have stop after the first one. No matter how controlversial something is, it is sometimes best for the viewers to intepret and figuring thing out by themselves. It is may be more fun that way, beside, if they need help or closure, they already have a movie to help them. One is enought, there is no need to be more. The truth is, no matter how much movies you put out, some people will never sastify. And here is another truth: if there is not a single movie after the anime, it would also be fine. To that we can conclude making another four more movies to put different perspective on the original anime is unnecessarry and wasted, it's all about making money, nothing else. It is sad and bewilderment that a studio could not come up with a single new idea for thirteen long years, it is even sadder and more astoningshing that that studio is Gainex, the creator of Neon Genesis Evangenion, the greatest anime of them all. It is as though Gainex is not even trying anymore, it is also is as though they don't work in the anime industry anymore. That how pathetic it is. Maybe, aliens from another planet some how got a hand on Eva and like it so much, they decided to kidnap all of Gainex employees to go live with them on their home planet already, just maybe. |
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IchigoK90
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Well despite Anno being a genius he really has problems with managing his budget. Neon Genesis used up almost all of its budget by the halfway point thus producing a lower quality in the series for the 2nd half. Again Anno's lack of respect for budge constraints is seen in His & Her Circumstances. Theres an episode (I believe 17 or 18) that shows how little a budget they had.
If Tomino is dubbed "Kill 'em All" then Anno should be dubbed "Spend it All". Regardless Gainax has faced financial problems over the times. Before Tengan Toppo Gurren Lagan (I think thats how you spell it) the only other recent Gainax anime release that I can recall was He Is My Master which was hilarious but lacked the magic other Gainax anime had. But hey everything in the world is about making money. No use in complaining about it. Thats just how the world is nowadays. |
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cool3865
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yea i know episode 14 & 15 were a review and then 16-18 i belive they used popsicle sticks........i really love that anime and still rate it as my all time fav. slice of life anime
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Xenofan 29A
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Anno did direct one excellent live action film, Shiki-Jitsu, another good yet flawed live action film, Love & Pop, and...the other one, which I shall not speak of.
Gainax has maintained a presence since Eva. I mean, they did FLCL, which was a major hit, Diebuster, a sequel to Anno's first work, and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann looks to be another success. The rest of their output has been mostly unimpressive, though, and although I still like their animation style, I don't usually care for the show that it goes with. And, by the way, Gainax DID NOT ANIMATE THE NEW EVA MOVIE, nor will it have that role for the future ones. They are co-owners of the name, but have no actual role in the films. (Additionally, the 13-year anniversary of Eva won't be until September. This is way too early.) |
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Veoryn87
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I'm probably going to end up turning this into a Rah Vs. Eva debate, but I personally think Rah is better than Eva thanks to more sympathetic characters and a more solid storyline. Also its animation is more consistent without a huge dropoff in quality later on. It made more of an impact on me while Eva was simply entertainment to me. I can think of several other anime that made more of an impact on me too, but I'll just leave it at that.
That's just me though. I still enjoyed Eva. I enjoyed FLCL more. |
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Kruszer
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I not a big fan of Gainax at all really the only one they've made that I really liked was His and Her Circumstances myself. Evangellion was good and entertaining but not without it's flaws and highly over-rated. It was not some kind of life-changing awesome experience for me as it apparently was to some. I agree with Veo on RahXephon being more solid and entertaining to me. I also have seen FLCL and He Is My Master which were ammusing once or twice but get pretty old fast.
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SalarymanJoe
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[quote="Veoryn87"]I'm probably going to end up turning this into a Rah Vs. Eva debate, /quote]
Probably more likely to spill into an Eva vs. Everything debate.
What defined super-stardom though? It's been 25 years since DAICON IV, which arguably was their first mega-successful anime in the eyes of their peers. It's been 21 years since Honneamise, which was the first production to get them world-wide acclaim. It's been 20 years since GunBuster, which still gets talked about in mecha circles. Princess Maker was about the only thing that continuously bankrolled the entire company. The point being, GAINAX (/DAICON FILM) had numerous successful projects before Evangelion and Evangelion has paid off nicely for them.
I know when we get into something like anime where there's a lot of artistic values involved, it gets hard to remember that it's also a business. Good on them for making money on Evangelion because as Ichigo90k pointed out, they can't manage budgets. It's not just Anno and it wasn't just Evangelion - it's practically everything they've worked on. |
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mokuhazushi
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I've started to think that it's a good thing that His And Her Circumstances just kind of stops (though at a fairly ill-chosen point) rather than having an ending tacked on that doesn't fit the manga (as was done with Fruits Basket). Maybe that's just me, though.
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Veoryn87
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Even with its major flaws, like the sudden ending, I still loved His and Her Circumstances to death thanks to its characters and the interaction between them. Ended up becoming one of my favorites, which surprised me. |
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cool3865
Posts: 770 Location: Austin, TX |
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did His and Her Circumstances ever get released?? i have the OST for it but thats it
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Veoryn87
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Oh yeah. It's been in America for a while (rightstuf). I have the thinpack. |
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Mohawk52
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Dargonxtc
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I would agree with this, if it was but for one thing. If they were ever planning to finish it. But at this point is there any real chance that they will ever finish it? No. So since that's the case, what does it really matter if they tacked on a two episode ending that wasn't in the manga? It's not like the manga will ever be animated anyway. On another note, if they ever did try to do another Kare Kano anime, they most likely would start from the begining anyway. |
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LeoKnight25
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You know, I heard something at the "State of the Industry" panel at Sakura Con this year that was really interesting. I don't think that Hideaki Annou necessarily wanted to make Evangelion for the money. Roland Kelts, author of Japanamerica, was talking a bit about the Japanese mindset about the creation of anime or what not, and he puts it as a sort of labor of love... that budget isn't necessarily a big concern, and neither is schedule really. Guys like Hayao Miyazaki or even Shigeru Miyamoto (creator of Super Mario Bros. and Legend of Zelda) have been known to go way over budget and scrap entire projects because it wasn't up to their standards. Miyazaki is said to have gone back and redrawn key scenes himself if he wasn't satisfied with the end result, causing headaches, I'm sure, for producers and others who are trying to keep a schedule. Anime is not really looked upon as being a very lucrative market but, it's done for creative reasons. I'm sure this isn't the case with every project out there but, from what Mr. Kelts was saying, this is a pretty common thing.
So, again, I'm not sure if Gainax ever really sets out to make millions on their projects. I think it's kinda like "if it does, it does. If not, oh well. On to the next project." I mean, they have to be doing something right obviously to stay in business this long but, it's not like Hollywood from what I understand. In America, if something doesn't sky rocket in ratings or sales from the get go, you can almost be sure that it'll be a failure and have pre-mature death. Even still, a show like Firefly, which has been praised up and down by critics and fans, couldn't make it on TV here in America whereas even some of the most mediocre anime titles don't get canceled before the end of the run on Japanese TV. It's just a totally different mindset over there than it is here. |
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HyugaHinata
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Personally, I'm not going to watch any of the new Eva movies.
I've had more than my fill of NGE in a 2-year speed-eating contest. 
I agree with everything except what you said about Kare Kano. Kare Kano should've either stopped at 13 episodes, or had the patience to wait for more volumes to be released. Nothing irritates me more than filler. It's a cash-in, plain and simple. If I wanted a summary, I'd watch the previous episodes in the series. |
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