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Greed1914
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Some of this makes me glad I don't pay much attention to social media around my entertainment. It's far easier to watch the things I like, and not watch what I don't and leave it there. Like that Kubo quote said, if it bothers you that much, then drop it and find something else. You liked something about it enough to start and it was coming from the creator without your input/influence, and if that stops being the case, it's just as valid to move on from it.
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justsomeaccount
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In regards to the automatic translation on Twitter/X: the problem is less that the translation isn't going to understand cultural nuances (the only way you can get them it's if you study like a specific course about it and then inmerse yourself in the japanese landscape to subconsciously get those subtleties; impossible for any random person on X to get from one simple translation), but the fact that by being automatically and by sounding natural-ish (as in, not like the simple translations that you feel the stiffness of translating to a language with a while different structure, which makes your understand you aren't getting the full context), if you see a tweet around, you are not going to be aware that you're operating on totally different contexts, and now because of that the friction that separated these mangaka authors from these toxic foreign fans is gone so they can go directly towards them or a random tweet may fall on their feed where before it didn't bc of the language barrier. It's not like it was hard to do this to an author if you put the effort to translate; but now it's effortless, just interacting with one's immediate self-righteous anger as usual is enough to come to the author's eyes. And western people's way of dogpiling in social media is way more aggressive than Japanese ones so it feels even more aggressive.
In regards to the reason why she was dogpiled, I swear I've heard already five different reasons why: some say it's bc they were calling the author a pedophile, a friend that it's just plain homophobia, other friend that is because of anime censorship, some japanese comments that because there are sexual mentions (in general, not about problematic stuff or something) that westerners can't handle, and now this column about 1:1 adaptations, and in most cases we haven't seen any quote of those rage posts, so who knows what's true and what's made up to fit one's narrative. The only thing I can sort of trust is the japanese source linked in the ANN news article http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/297337 which mainly puts snapshots of the first one and maybe the fourth one (since one comment talks about not wanting to see one author's fetishes, maybe some japanese comments interpreted it that way). I feel we need to establish whether the other ones exist or else we keep feeding the misinformation of what was the cause of this (just for verifying the source of this current problem, not to keep being morbid about the awful scandal; I know the conversation is more than just this author, so I don't want to nullify how valid those topics are for other types of harassment that have happened). In regards to the social media necessity: it is necessary for many of them to survive, a lot of times a viral tweet about their series or image may be the difference between continuing or be cancelled. For example, Miyazaki Asuka (author of 人としてつき合えたら, 'if we could speak like people') often relies on their series's snapshots posted on X and the discussion that surges that allows many people to discover it and have the sales bump they need to continue the series. Another author, Mitsunori Zaki (author of ナースの取扱説明書, 'Nurse report'), was lucky that before the first volume went to sale he posted the third chapter on X (about sexual harassment to nurses) which went viral and had a newfound attention that gave the series a huge initial bump that now it's settled. There are series that win or fall regardless of that, but it's a huge tool in the current panorama, which is also why it's hard for them to move out of X since it's where most people are and in others like bsky there are very few. They have it tough. |
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VORTIA
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Very dusappointed that you guys wrote all these paragraphs & yet had basically nothing to say about how the actual harassment that drove Syundei off the internet was over non-con & age gap depictions in the manga, not a demand for the anime to 1:1 her work. Please do better. If you want to protect artists, tell the whole story please.
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Alphael
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It's very baffling to even bring up Voltron and Stephen Universe because those are very well documented incidents and it clearly wasn't 'weird dudes' who did things like blackmail the production staff into making a gay ship canon or bullied artists for drawing a character too light-skinned into suicide (something weird dudes clearly care about I guess according to the insinuations of this column). It's also noticeable they don't mention was 'certain headcanons' got the Gachiakuta author harassed which would reveal just who did the harassing and threw vitriol at her. I can only assume it was an intentional omission because again it goes against the attempt to try to paint this all being from... "people I disagree with politically" or something?
This column felt like it was clearly trying to lead people down a certain path of thinking with these incidents but all the facts we know about all these incidents don't line up with the angle they were trying to frame here. |
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Sinxi and heylog
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Its a very boring opinion to have, but its a positive and negative, ik, very boring.
I'm on twitter a decent bit and have seen the funny and not so funny moments that twitter carries, one of the not so funny ones is the recent syundei situation, that one was just an unfortunate situation that happened to an author that seems to already be on shaky ground mentally wise (the last post she made before dipping from twitter, was heartbreaking too see) or times where the cartoon or anime spaces that can get pretty toxic especially when it comes to harassment or things like it But then I've seen the funny or cool side of things, idk if any of you have heard of a manga called Love Bullet, that basically got saved due to a hail mary of a tweet the author sent, and it got people from the west and others in japan to help the author and not getting the work canceled. I remember seeing tweets on guides on how to get the jp version of the manga even because in the west, the eng version was not out yet (from what i remember). And the authors words on the matter after that was super wholesome, you should look it up, it was sweet to see. Or just recently with the Frieren art thing that just happened, with the original one being from a reddit post on the Frieren subreddit, and that not only became a meme but it had the art community to come together to attempt the pose jp artist and en artist, and i could go on and on I could go on and on, but its def a positive and negative |
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Doubleclouder
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I saw a couple posts that complained about the anime adaption censoring the octopus scene and attempt to try to frame it as homophobic/sexist because there's lots of fanservice anime for men in anime but when it came to a fanservice scene of a male character aimed at women it was removed but that attempted callout got shut down pretty quick when people pointed out that plenty of fanservice scenes for men also get toned down and censored all the time in anime adaptions with Bocchi being a popular example of how much fanservice was removed in the anime from the manga. That could encompasses all the "homophobia/1:1 adaption/censorship" reasons together but most of the screenshots and examples I saw were purely about anti-shippers complaining that the author drew content they saw as problematic like student/teacher stuff and underage stuff.
I saw a Japanese poster post a compilation of all the OP/EDs from this season alone that feature the characters dancing in them and it turned out to be quite a lot. One of the replies that stuck out to me was how dancing in OP/ED used to feel unique and rare but now it's all over the place and the primary reason is probably to bait Tiktokers into doing viral videos of it for promotion and yeah that does make a lot of sense how social media has become such a thing. I've seen quite a few official Tiktok accounts for Japanese media and the actors promoting their work on there although it's mostly live-action stuff more than anime but there is anime stuff there too. |
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gorillamilk
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Agreed. What a weak sauce response, doesn't even address how Syundei's statement directly cited the antis who harassed her over the content of her art. Literally nothing to do with the people complaining about the anime adaptation. Doesn't surprise me though, since ANN writers have a storied history of agreeing with anti takes. Specifically all the TERF-originated rhetoric about BL and how allegedly "fetishistic" and "harmful" it is. |
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TheGunwild
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Auto-translate has nothing to do with this I think you guys just want any excuse you can find to complain about Twitter and prop up Bluesky since you guys post there. The people who harassed Syundei have been doing so for over a year now long before that feature was implemented and even still nothing about this situation was mistranslated or misconstrued by a language barrier. People who harassed Syundei did so because she made content they dislike and that is not allowed to some people. They were quite clear on they felt she was a bad person because she drew problematic content.
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Gem-Bug
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RE: The Amazing Digital Circus
There actually is a theater playing in my province(an hour+ drive away), but is 99% sold-out already for that opening weekend, not playing again until after the episode releases on Youtube on the 19th. My issue with the whole thing is basically this: I haven't been to a theater since like 2019. I honestly don't give a shit about an indie series winding up in what is becoming more and more an outdated model of media delivery. There's really no reason why they can't move the online release date up to after the theater weekend or something. I think releasing it this way, where not everyone is going to be able to see it, and those that can't have to survive spoilers(and people who like to spoil on purpose) for two weeks is a big "fudge you" to those fans. Which is probably deserved for a large portion of the fanbase, like all the ones harassing Gooseworx over nothing. I hadn't even seen the CEO statement before now, but the "We know it's frustrating, but think of the industry" doesn't make it any less frustrating. |
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Hellsoldier
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I'm sorry, but you are going to have to source the part where any ANN writer invokes any TERF-aligned argument. Anyways, right now, all these discussions are reminding me of the healthy, charming discussions centered around UiSaki. |
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Tempest
I Run this place.ANN Publisher Posts: 10536 Location: Do not message me for support. |
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Please ask our trans writers if they think we're TERFs (I'm not saying "ANN isn't a bunch of TERF's because we employ trans people," but rather, I'm pretty certain those writers would confirm that they have never felt excluded from ANN due to their gender status). The fact that we've raised tens of thousands of dollars for the Trevor Project certainly doesn't prove that we're not TERFs, right ? I'm not aware of the statements about BL that you are referring to. We allow our writers to publish opinions that we don't agree with, for example they can criticize BL in ways we disagree with, as always, "the opinions of the writers do not represent the etc. etc...." That said, we do not allow hateful opinions in our published material, so I would like to review the old material and make sure that it lives up to our current standards. I will remove anything that discriminates against trans people. |
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Joe Mello
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I'm also having a hard time following the logic. I understand the part where not reporting the story correctly is bad, but is the contention that ANN intentionally misrepresented the details about why a harassment campaign occurred, and then published a column about how harassment campaigns of any kind are bad and went into multiple "reasons" for these campaigns, not just the one they reportedly lied about?
Wouldn't someone who was anti-whatever be in favor of the harassment? |
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justsomeaccount
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Yeah, I can believe there could be some posts like that but I haven't seen them being relevant to this discussion (no japanese sites talking about this mention it) and at any case that could affect the anime team (like the one towards the OPM S3 director who had a breakdown over it), not the original manga author (if anything that'd suggest they want to respect her intentions. Though maybe they could go after her bc she allowed it, but it doesn't feel correct), so that seems a weird thing to focus on in regards to her specific harassment.
Heh, I never realized that but you're right. Maybe they're pursuing the Mashle phenomenon? (I know it's happened before like the Blood Blockade Battlefront ending, but given how big was the Mashle thing...)
From what I've seen the only snapshot from before was some brazilian person a year ago who did that, but aside of that, all the snapshots are from this month, and are posts derived from the anime by comparing the differences between the manga and anime and some being scandalized over the stuff that was in the manga but not the anime as a sign of the authors' inclinations according to them; so from what we know now, if there was more constant harassment aside of that brazilian person it's not quoted, and it makes total sense that the anime gave unprecedented attention to this so if there was before it's multiplied by hundreds now. After all, the posts are very "people discovering this and being enraged for those pieces of content". In regards to the automatic translation, I feel it's relevant when now it's everywhere and a topic on conversation anywhere in all languages; in fact all those posts we've talked about were written in their respective language (spanish, portuguese, polish, etc.) but X shows them in japanese so that's what the sources use; it's frictionless. Japanese posts are not only translated; they appear in one's feed by the algorithm so they are bound to interact. Authors like Hiroe Rei have commented that this is screaming for these kinds of confilcts, and not just for the relation between foreign fans and japanese authors, but any topic honestly, particularly serious or political ones. The previous model had enough friction to stop people who weren't pursuing it; now it's served in front of you. Some nice raport may come of it, but so conflicts and accesibility to bad takes. I do agree however that the translation itself for these posts is not really the problem, but the cultural differences I talk about at least are less about "a message translating something wrongly" (which will happen when you put Gen AI into the mix, but here I don't think it's the issue since they're very direct callout messages) and more about attitudes when interacting with authors, the way they dogpile, the inmediate anger and reaction and backlash, and the perception it gives when suddenly a bunch of people are dogpiling you with western directness (even the most 2chan-ish comments are kinda cynically subdued, not with the aggresive irony-poisoned way we do way more oftenly).Those are the cultural differences that cause troubles and no perfect translation is going to make you understand all that context (and the people who do that shit wouldn't really care, they just have it easier for it to reach an authors' ears), and as a result a chill japanese author is going to be unprepared for it. Since we don't have the really exact details of all the posts and the feed the author saw we are always speculating, but given this I think it's extremely plausible |
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Twage
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I feel like all the weird firestorms this month just prove the answer to the question in the headline is a resounding "YES."
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MikeCaz02
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Yeah, actually, from what I saw of the controversy on Twitter/X, it seemed more like the people who harassed the author were in favor of censorship; they dug up her past work, which contained some questionable material, and started harassing her over it. And honestly, I doubt that the chuds and reactionaries would stick their necks out for a BL, though who knows—I’ve seen some of them try to capitalize on this. |
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