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Paploo



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:22 pm Reply with quote
http://www.wordsthatstay.com/?p=253

Tim Beedle offers up a fascinating analysis of the challenegs manga-style artists face from publishers, the book market, and readers. The article itself is awesome and depressing, but there's also a lot of good discussion about other things that have affected it- the lack of an outlet with TPop's shuttering of their domestic comics division, the devaluation of manga, publisher perceptions and all kinds of other stuff that affects it all. There's some good points about why novel adaptions do really well too [they attract fans who don't care if the artist is Japanese, and know the brand, while an original work faces challenges due to being from a new, unproven author and faces issues with fandom's interpretation of what manga is]

I know in the midtolate 90's, well before the manga boom, manga-influenced artwork on DC/Marvel comics was a VERY regular thing. X-men had Joe Mad and Chris Bachalo doing superstar runs, DC had Young Justice and Impulse with Todd Nauck and Humberto Ramos's distictively anime-influenced styles, and Ed McGuiness's ultra cartoony Deadpool was in it's heyday. Now you tend not to see this style as often at either publisher [DC seems to push a very realistic style on many books]

Anyhoo, GO READ! Reading is awesome.

BTW---- Looks like some OEL-era artists are posting on the thread too, with Ross Campbell chiming in. EVERYONE GO BUY SHADOW EYES NOW! http://www.shadoweyes.net/ The book is so pretty and shiny [literally, it's got thick glossy paper that really captures his linework well]

edit- also Maximo Lorenzo pops in too.

Tim elaborates that his main point was his recent experiences forcing manga-styled artists to tone down their influences, and that shame he feels about it. Telling people not to draw how they love to draw [people who he feels are are extremely talented and enthusiastic about their work] due to the culture that's evolved since the manga boom and crash.
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ZeroDemio



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:05 am Reply with quote
I feel that everyone should just take the google translate route and just call them Comic Books.

Also news has been posted after your post. Yen Press is seeking talent. Step at a time, or not enough?

Anyway, we all fail.
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Paploo



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:01 am Reply with quote
Yeah, Yen has been publishing small number of original titles and seems to be looking to expand on that. And of course, small comic pubs like Oni Press [w/megahit Scott Pilgrim] and SLG continue to have occasional manga-styled OGN's. The market for these artists has changed a lot over the years though.
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Bento-Box



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:58 pm Reply with quote
So, if you don't want to call them "Manga" because of the connotation associated with the word, what should you call them?

When someone asks me what type of art I draw, I typically tell them everything from traditional media to graphic novels. Most people seem to know what a graphic novel is. But there are still times when I have to further explain.

When I used to say "manga", they gave me a strange look because they had no clue what that was. I tried saying "Comic Book" and they automatically assumed that I drew in a similar style as X Men, Spiderman, etc. But I don't.

So, what would be a good way to describe in layman's terms this type of art that is so similar to the Japanese Manga but is illustrated by someone who is not Japanese and is attempting to be published under a US label?
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Wooga



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:09 pm Reply with quote
Just call it Sequential Art.
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Chagen46



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:16 am Reply with quote
Wait, that article says that Del Ray Manga no longer exists?!

How the hell am I supposed to read Negima!? now?
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Moomintroll



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:43 am Reply with quote
Chagen46 wrote:
Wait, that article says that Del Ray Manga no longer exists?!

How the hell am I supposed to read Negima!? now?


Del Rey Manga no longer exists but at least some of its titles - the ones that sell well and, maybe, if we're lucky, the ones that are close to completion - will continue to be released by its parent company (Random House) on behalf of the Japanese publisher Kodansha.

Given its popularity, I would be astonished if Negima wasn't one of the titles to be transferred. You might have a bit of a wait while Kodansha sorts out its new operation but you will almost certainly get the rest of the series.
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