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Kyle Smyth
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Is anyone disturbed with the way women are portrayed in anime/manga? I realize that there is obviously some element of fan service in anime/manga and I am fine with that. However what disturbs me is that sometimes women are portrayed in a degrading manner. I recently rented a The New Generation of Manga Artists portfolio (both vol.1 and vol.2) from my public library. It was first off in the kids section. Then when looking through it I noticed several things. The artwork was astounding and the characters portrayed are all females, with large breasts and are very child like. I feel that these images give a bad image of anime/manga really is to the rest of the world. Here are very wonderfully illustrated images, however the characters are child like and barely clothed. Not too mention that they are posed in very sexually oriented positions. Too be honest I was not fond of the pictures. I felt as if there was an element of pedophilia to them. I have also seen similar images in anime. I feel that what produces an excellent anime should be plot and character depth, not sexual images and situations. I understand that sometimes certain situations may arise in certain storylines and that some of these situations if executed appropriately can be very well done. However anime that is based on sexuality and fan service may as well be hentai. I also realize that some parts of sexuality such as homosexuality are regarded as part of the culture. However pedophilic images and sexually explicit cartoons do not seem necessary or appropriate to me. Any thoughts?
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shirokiryuu
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fanservice mostly degrades women anyways...
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PantsGoblin
 SubscriberEncyclopedia Editor  Posts: 2969 Location: L.A. |
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I take offensive to you calling it "pedophilia". Can you please call it Lolicon. Pedophilia has a more negative meaning then Lolicon. There is a difference. I'm not disturbed by it. That's how they sell their merchindise. They don't have a choice. The same thing is done in America. Last edited by PantsGoblin on Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:31 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Efan
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Most anime these days degrade women. Most thing's in society degrade women and always have. For instance hip hop greatly portrays women as objects. Beer commercials also do the same thing. It's one of those things society will need to grow out of. Btw, there was also a post very similar to this one. animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16713&postdays=0&postorder=asc&topic_view=&start=0 |
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shirokiryuu
Posts: 714 Location: Northern California (SF Bay Area) |
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also some cultures degrade women... |
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Efan
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But the difference is that these cultures do it because their religion tells them too, these anime artest and rappers do it for money. |
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shirokiryuu
Posts: 714 Location: Northern California (SF Bay Area) |
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or their fantasies |
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The Frankman
 Posts: 1160 Location: Binary Culture HQ |
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This reminds me of the dicussion IchigoK90 and Co. brought up in this topic not too long ago.
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Kyle Smyth
Posts: 157 Location: Ontario, Canda |
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I saw this one awhile ago and it does not shock me that there are other posts similar to the one I just now have started. However the difference between mine and IchigoK90's is that mine includes pedophilia or lolicon and anyform of female sexuality being degraded. |
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PantsGoblin
Subscriber Encyclopedia Editor Posts: 2969 Location: L.A. |
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Ok, it seems you guys need to know the difference between lolicon and pedohilia. I quote Wikipedia:
"The term pedophile is often used to describe any person who has perpetrated sexual crimes against children" "Despite Japan producing (and consuming) most lolicon media, there is no evidence that it causes violent crimes against children and teens. Their prevalence (as is the case for violent crimes in general) is well below that of most other developed countries." There. Don't get them confused. As you can see pedophile has a much more negative meaning then lolicon. I myself am a lolicon fan, so I find it offensive when people confuse lolicon and pedophilia. Last edited by PantsGoblin on Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:25 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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The Frankman
Posts: 1160 Location: Binary Culture HQ |
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Yeah, I view this one as taking the old one "to the next level". I think it has to do a bit with the repressive cultural aspect of traditional women in the Asian society. I bring up the Paranoia Agent episode with the Japanese housewife. Holy schnikes, that was a little freaky.
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daxomni
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It's true that I've found some themes in anime to be a bit disturbing and inappropriate. However, I've also been a somewhat annoyed by traditional movies and television as well. You might be surprised to learn that (outside of fan-service shots) Japanese anime often portrays women and girls in a more aggressive and positive role than Japanese society itself. Japan is still a Man's World and equality between the sexes is not yet fully forged into law, let alone common practice. For instance, some jobs are only offered to certain females that meet various chauvinistic requirements. Japanese women sometimes offer their seats and open doors for male strangers while the reverse is relatively rare. Until recently Japanese women couldn't even buy their own burial plot. Get the picture? Sexual images are indeed likely to negatively impact the general view of anime and manga in most Western cultures, especially when the subject appears to be underage. I'm just waiting from some politician, evangelist, or other talking head to get a hold of some risqué anime or manga and declare the whole genre to be pure evil. However, we have to keep in mind that all anime and manga are created in a specific Eastern culture that apparently doesn't view the motive or the result in the same way we're inclined to.
Does it also degrade men for implying that we're fans of depravity? In any case, a quick panty shot pales in comparison to a glass ceiling in my view.
You'd probably be floored to learn that until a few years ago (late 1990's) it was actually legal to own and sell pictures of unclothed children in Japan. Only after years and years of pressure from Western governments and NGO's did Japan finally deem that photo-books of unclothed children were inappropriate and declared their sale to be illegal. In most anime they tend to simply sidestep the issue by claiming that the young looking subject is actually some sort of alien, robot, monster, or other anomaly. |
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Iemander
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're a girl right shiro? If so, please tell me, what bothers you the most about fanservice. Be specific if you can. And how do you see it differently from scantly clad women in live action films. |
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PantsGoblin
Subscriber Encyclopedia Editor Posts: 2969 Location: L.A. |
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I was actually already aware of that. I'm just saying that "pedophile" is usually a term to describe people who commit violent crimes against children. A Lolicon fan would never think of harming a real child. Nudity with children if animated is actually perfectly legal, both in the US and Japan. So I wouldn't say they try to sidestep it by calling them an alien, robot, etc. |
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
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Japan has Saaya Irie (11). USA has JonBenet Ramsey (6). Fifty steps. One hundred steps. |
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