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Lord Geo
Joined: 18 Sep 2005
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Location: North Brunswick, New Jersey
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:03 am
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Quote: | When someone says they wish Yasuke was more like Samurai Champloo or Vinland Saga, he responds, “Why do you want the same shit?” |
I'm sure Thomas was being rhetorical here, but it's simply because most people are extremely hesitant/scared to try something new out. They'd rather want something that reminds them of stuff they're already comfortable with, even if they don't realize it themselves. And, by that same token, production companies tend to hesitate with trying new ideas out, because they're afraid of losing money on it, when doing something that's familiar to people tends to be more reliable, financially.
Quote: | He also emphasized the importance of learning who makes the anime you love (joking about people who love Hunter x Hunter but “don't know who the fudge made Hunter x Hunter”), and to recognize and uplift the artists who inspire you. |
Fully agreed, 100%. It's why if I really enjoyed an anime then I'll at least search who directed and/or wrote it & look into what else they did, because maybe I'd be interested in seeing more of what I liked about the prior work. It's the same with mangaka, too, which is why it's annoying when English manga publishers sometimes don't bother to license & release other works from creators who are successful & popular over here. Yes, Viz, thanks for continuing to release more JoJo but how about Cool Shock B.T. or a new release for Baoh, or how about Level E & Ten de Showaru Cupid during the constant long waits between new Hunter x Hunter chapters? It's really no wonder why people are fans of "works" instead of "creators", because most publishers here don't really bother to help make more fans of the latter.
It's kind of miracle that Viz did just that by bringing over Tista & Blade of the Moon Princess because Spy x Family's a big hit, because I wish that kind of stuff happened more often.
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SpacemanHardy
Joined: 03 Jan 2012
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:16 am
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I'm surprised LeSean has the gall to show his face in public again ever since his Cannon Busters Kickstarter campaign turned out to be a complete sham. The man took over $150k from 2,400 backers, went radio silent for years, and did nothing but give everyone a single bluray disc of the pilot. There were individual backers who spent literally THOUSANDS on rewards, only for them to be completely ghosted.
LeSean Thomas is a fraud and a pariah and he deserves to never work in the industry again.
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sirdano1
Joined: 06 Jul 2011
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:25 am
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Quote: | When someone says they wish Yasuke was more like Samurai Champloo or Vinland Saga, he responds, “Why do you want the same shit?” |
Well excuse me for wanting good anime...
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fathomlessblue
Joined: 28 Mar 2012
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Location: Manchester, UK
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 11:39 am
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Quote: | When someone says they wish Yasuke was more like Samurai Champloo or Vinland Saga, he responds, “Why do you want the same shit?” |
That's a bold take considering Champloo was (especially at the time) a pretty unique mashup of classical Edo style and mid-00's hip-hop culture, that has rarely been replicated since. I didn't even take the show & even I recognized that quality. Meanwhile, if Vinland Saga was indeed the same old shit, there would be a lot less insecure manchildren whining about it for not being violent enough.
If nothing else, I respect Thomas' drive, even if at best his works rarely seem to live up to the promises & hype he insists upon, & at worse feel boldly disingenuous or lacking self-awareness. Like whining about series being the same old shit but with black characters is a wild take from the dude who gave us Cannon Busters.
I just can't tell how much of this is delusion, egoistism or just cynical self-promotion marketing nonsense.
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garfield15
Joined: 06 Apr 2009
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:18 pm
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That was definitely not the right answer as not only are those two shows totally different, but the question was more like why did it become something so out-of-pocket and wild like it was what someone who thinks 'cool anime' is.
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Hopeless Weeb
Joined: 10 Oct 2022
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:54 pm
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garfield15 wrote: | That was definitely not the right answer as not only are those two shows totally different, but the question was more like why did it become something so out-of-pocket and wild like it was what someone who thinks 'cool anime' is. |
I think what he meant was "why should my original show harp on some other show, simply because they're the same genre?", not that SS and VS are similar shows.
Like there is a show where Oda Nobunaga is a dirty blond ikemen mecha-pilot who fights Arthurian-inspired magical knights in a interplanetary conflict, and I think Thomas questions why exactly his creation can't be allowed to be even an ounce as "out there" as that.
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Sakura Shinguji
Joined: 09 Feb 2005
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:59 pm
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SpacemanHardy wrote: | I'm surprised LeSean has the gall to show his face in public again ever since his Cannon Busters Kickstarter campaign turned out to be a complete sham. The man took over $150k from 2,400 backers, went radio silent for years, and did nothing but give everyone a single bluray disc of the pilot. There were individual backers who spent literally THOUSANDS on rewards, only for them to be completely ghosted.
LeSean Thomas is a fraud and a pariah and he deserves to never work in the industry again. |
Quoting for emphasis.
I did read the article, and appreciate Reuben putting in the work to write it. But as far as I'm concerned, LeSean can go take a long walk off a short pier, as the more polite saying goes.
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Turtleboy76
Joined: 06 Jun 2023
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:00 pm
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Hmm it's almost as if Champloo and Vinland are 10/10 and Yasuke was a 5/10.
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YackDe
Joined: 23 Apr 2024
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:54 pm
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Maybe he should stop making up imaginary people in his head who asked for Yasuke to be like Samurai Champloo to box with (and also stop committing fraud, that would be good), and focus on making something worthwhile instead.
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chronium
Joined: 25 Apr 2005
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:05 pm
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Hopeless Weeb wrote: |
I think what he meant was "why should my original show harp on some other show, simply because they're the same genre?", not that SS and VS are similar shows.
Like there is a show where Oda Nobunaga is a dirty blond ikemen mecha-pilot who fights Arthurian-inspired magical knights in a interplanetary conflict, and I think Thomas questions why exactly his creation can't be allowed to be even an ounce as "out there" as that. |
The problem with his statement though is that Yasuke ended up harping on far more common types of shows and ended up being a very generic show. When people give examples they're using them to show what they think is quality and want to push the creator to do better and it has nothing to do with what deserves to exist or not.
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mastix
Joined: 13 Jul 2013
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:00 pm
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"Why not" being the answer to that question isn't shocking at all given that the problem with Yasuke was the "lolrandom" energy of the whole thing. Maybe it's worth it as the director of a creative work to know why you're making certain decisions instead of thinking it's cool to do whatever stray idea comes to mind next. Following that, to respond to critics saying "Well then why don't you try it?" is as banal as it is unproductive. I respect not being on Twitter, but a little willingness to take feedback on board could help a director whose projects have had pretty mixed reviews.
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Yttrbio
Joined: 09 Jun 2011
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 5:10 pm
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Quote: | The production had three history advisors mainly so the director could say, “fudge all that.” |
I'm sure he's a smart guy and all, but every time I see an interview, he sounds like a moron who refuses to learn from the past. An earlier interview had him going on about how historical-inspired fiction starts with more faithful stories and then branches off to the crazier stuff, but he seemed to spend zero time thinking about why that was, only that he didn't want to do it.
Hopeless Weeb wrote: | Like there is a show where Oda Nobunaga is a dirty blond ikemen mecha-pilot who fights Arthurian-inspired magical knights in a interplanetary conflict, and I think Thomas questions why exactly his creation can't be allowed to be even an ounce as "out there" as that. |
The thing is, there's an actual answer to this question, he just doesn't want to hear it. Oda Nobunaga and Arthur have a ton of historical folklore and legend upon which to make stories, so when there is an "out there" variant, it's interesting (or not) based on the connections and the weirdness of those connections between the new story and the body of literature. If you just pluck a random historical detail without that body of history and tell an "out there" story, it's a complete non sequitur, and no different than using a completely made up character, except for erasing an opportunity to actually learn something.
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SpacemanHardy
Joined: 03 Jan 2012
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 7:02 pm
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mastix wrote: | I respect not being on Twitter, but a little willingness to take feedback on board could help a director whose projects have had pretty mixed reviews. |
The funny thing is, while he claims that he's not currently on social media to "keep his blood pressure low," he used to be very active across Twitter and most other social media outlets. It wasn't until he started getting called out over his Kickstarter that he killed most of his social accounts and made his Instagram private. It's not that he wanted to avoid stress in general, he just didn't want to have to be held accountable for his actions.
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doctordoom85
Joined: 12 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 11:00 pm
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That’s a pretty bad take on Get Out. There’s no 80’s horror movie that essentially used Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner? as a major element, and particularly having most of the discrimination from some characters be positive discrimination specifically. Us is even more unique, and I would laugh at someone claiming NOPE was derivative of a film of any genre.
Also, maybe he didn’t mean to imply that, but it sounded like he implied the lead being a “well-to-do” black person was an issue. How? It uses that to highlight how racism of any sort can target ANYONE regardless of financial well-being.
It just feels like he comes off as bitter that Peele has been met with critical acclaim and general success compared to him. Funny enough, Peele himself is an anime fan (NOPE has a visual reference to a certain iconic anime moment, and he also used a certain anime series to influence the artistic design of……well, I won’t elaborate further as that would enter spoiler territory for the film).
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flipperpurified
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 11:15 pm
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It seems the creator left socials some time ago (years), joining the growing exodus from the increasingly toxic environment of "X," Facebook, etc. The irony here is glaring—consumer comments here (are there any tv series creators here?) are doing exactly what he predicted: showcasing consumer elitism, entitlement, and misplaced demands because they simply pay for a subscription instead of letting their own professional approach to the craft be the counter-argument to the shit thats out there lmao. These self-proclaimed critics—none of whom are creators themselves—rush to critique, police, and dismantle creative projects, often projecting their own aspirations of being taken seriously as if they themselves are TV series creators. Yet, they lack the talent, resources, or creative autonomy that he currently commands—especially as he’s reportedly up for another Netflix original.
Amidst all this noise, what’s truly astonishing—and frustratingly overlooked—is the prestige and recognition this work has earned. For instance, the Japan Foundation, one of the most esteemed government-funded cultural institutions in Japan, partnered with the Japan Society in NYC, a leading cultural hub of a city and incredibly hard to penetrate, to host a solo-artist creation of a foreigner's series creations coupled with a film curation, free NYC High school, College and public talks, and publish an archival art book on the Yasuke production. This collaboration marks a significant achievement, one rooted in global cultural appreciation rather than the fleeting, binge-watch-driven Hollywood ecosystem. Yet, instead of celebrating these remarkable milestones the way ANN currently is by highlighting and covering this event for a non-japanese foreigner, the discourse remains drowned in shallow consumer opinions, dated grievances, and seems more influenced by chasing visibility than engaging in meaningful discourse.
No wonder these comments get shut down by ANN repeatedly lol.
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