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Septeus7



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:09 pm Reply with quote
I was wondering what anime series, movie or oav has the most original beautiful art work. I'm talking about the drawings regardless of the story or the music. What anime if any qualifies as "fine art?" Spirited Away had absolutely amazing art work but what other anime reaches this high or higher level of art? The reason I'm asking is because I is because there is this guy I was talking to and he was saying that comicbooks and anime aren't really examples of "fine art" but "craft art" and "folk art" which of course is inferior to "pure" or "fine art." He also said that my my amazement and delight with Spirited Away's artwork just showed my lack of education and experience with "fine art." Well, tell me what you guys think?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:39 pm Reply with quote
Your friend may be partly correct, although it's hard to say without hearing his opinions straight from him. "Pure" art could be taken to mean art that stands on its own as a complete thing unto itself; a painting could fit that definition, while a wonderfully well done background or animation cel is part of a larger work. So a background from an animated film isn't really serving the same purpose as a landscape painting. Neither is better or worse in my opinion; it's kind of like how song lyrics may not be able to compete with poetry as poetry, but still work just fine as part of a song. So if that's what he's talking about, he's right that animation art/gallery art are apples/oranges. If he's arguing that animation is artistically inferior to gallery art, though, I think he needs to get off his high horse (kind of like I often do.)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:39 pm Reply with quote
The landscape scenes in a number of Miyazaki movies always come to mind first when I think of beautiful art in Anime. This isn't to say that if I sat down and looked through my entire Anime collection they'd end up being my choice for the best art, they just come to mind first and certainly are amongst (IMHO) the best art.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:57 pm Reply with quote
http://www.gallerif15.no/catalouge/Tendenser2001/catJV.htm

Here's an article that looks at what "craft art" means, and takes aim at the elitist idea that utilitarian art is inferior to gallery art.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:04 pm Reply with quote
Septeus7 wrote:
He also said that my my amazement and delight with Spirited Away's artwork just showed my lack of education and experience with "fine art."

That's a load of elitist crap. You could be neither experienced nor educated, and it's no less valid for you to like Spirited Away artwork. Coversely, simply liking Spirited Away's art is not indicative of inexperience or lack of education.

What does he mean by "pure" art? I'm not sure I agree with the concept that some art can stand on its own while other art can't...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:21 pm Reply with quote
Miagi wrote:

What does he mean by "pure" art? I'm not sure I agree with the concept that some art can stand on its own while other art can't...


Pure art, in this context, means that the artwork in question is a complete work in itself, while background art in a movie is not intended to function as a complete work unto itself. Spirited Away is a complete work, but the backgrounds aren't, exactly. I suspect the friend is saying that animation background art can't really be judged againt the paintings of, say, the Ohio River School. In a sense that's true, since background art's function is different from gallery art's function.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:25 pm Reply with quote
I personally enjoy the Kenshin prequel backgrounds(not the ones with real-life overlays, mind you) and scenery. The Berserk artwork is very well done as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:30 pm Reply with quote
Aaron White wrote:
I suspect the friend is saying that animation background art can't really be judged againt the paintings of, say, the Ohio River School. In a sense that's true, since background art's function is different from gallery art's function.

Yeah, function and intent are a couple of major roadblocks in directly comparing two very different works of art. I suppose you could try to judge how well they achieve their function, but imo, that's very much an individual assessment--not something that can easily (or even should?) be rated on an absolute scale.
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Macross Zero and the Gits 2 trailer are the most eye catching things I have ever seen.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:07 pm Reply with quote
I don't really like this topic cause everyone has different opinions someone may say Spirited Away has the crapiest art and others may worship it but in my opinion i favor Pokemon.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:23 pm Reply with quote
Hmm, I can't make up my mind on this, so I'll just list a few.

Miyazaki is nice, but I don't really like his style artwise.

The Utena movie *I just adore the art in this*
Angel's Egg *Character Designs by Amano*
The first Kenshin Ova
X
Lain
Haibane Renmei *character designs by Abe, same dude who did Lain*
100 Stories *I love how different it is to other anime*
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:30 pm Reply with quote
Septeus7 wrote:
He also said that my my amazement and delight with Spirited Away's artwork just showed my lack of education and experience with "fine art." Well, tell me what you guys think?


Very well, I think your friend is a snob. I don't know how much your friend knows about Japanese art. I'm not talking about anime and manga, but traditional art. During the Tokugawa period, western art was viewed with the utmost distain by the Japanese intelligencia. Western art was characterized by realism, but the Japanese mindset was that 'A true artist wishes to show not the exact appearance of an object, but the spirit that informs it.' Furthermore, western artists were 'barberians' and 'mere artisans'. So, I don't think your friend holds the title on elitism. To say that anime is not fine art is true; fine art is a title for a very specific style of art. However, to say that fine art is superior to other types of art is merely an opinion. Next time he says that to you, tell him he only thinks that way because of his lack of education and experiance with 'anime art'.


On a different note, Watanabe desrerves credit for the artwork on Kid's Story from the Animatrix. Definately a different ideal from fine art, but nevertheless a unique and interesting way to do animation. The artwork emphasizes line and motion and deemphasizes exact form and shape. Actually it is quite similar to the traditional ideal I mentioned above. Anyone else agree?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:35 pm Reply with quote
angels egg.
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Septeus7



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 11:13 pm Reply with quote
Thanks for all your input. The article about "craft art" and the comments about the traditional Japanese conception of art should help put things into perspective. Since Angel Egg was mentioned several times I'll check it out. I also really liked the art work from Wolf's Rain.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 11:34 pm Reply with quote
Wow, the "what is art" debate. Realizing the conversation is dying here, I won't belabor it. I'll just say that I agree with Aaron. Hang a lanscape painting beside a photograph beside an animation cell... can your really compare the three? Some art forms may be more traditional than others, but that doesn't make them superior.

As for good art in anime. Miyazaki, of course, comes to mind... I particularly enjoyed the work in Princess Mononoke. I enjoy X as well... its very rich, plenty to look at. And everything in it is pretty, from the floating cherry blossoms to the characters. Finally, FLCL has an interesting mishmash of art/animation styles. Its unique and interesting, if nothing else.
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