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SthRandom



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:19 pm Reply with quote
Barbobot wrote:
shureky wrote:
such as letting a guy like carlos so incompetent do this type of review
just give naruto shippuden higher score than F / Z in animation, loses all credibility..


To be fair, the Naruto Shippuden review people are referring to does contain probably the best animated episode in the whole series, Kyubbi Naruto vs Pain.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:28 pm Reply with quote
Raneth wrote:
This review surprised me. It seems like the reviewer expected a lot more than the series delivered, or that he held the anime to a higher standard than others.

I'm curious to see what he thought of the second half of the show. I only watched the first also, and for whatever reason I really enjoyed what I watched, but it wasn't enough to keep me watching week to week while it was airing. Maybe it was the pacing issue he mentioned. I think I'll enjoy it more when I marathon it.

Theron's earlier review of the entire series was more positive. Maybe season 2 pulls it all together.


That's what I took away from it as well. And in a way I can understand that viewpoint. I think Carlo expected it to be the greatest thing ever and it wasn't to him. I think his expectations clouded his objectivity due to that in a big way. I've gone into shows with that mindset before and it tends to ruin them. As a professional reviewer though, you should really know better than to let that happen.

The second half of the show is better in my opinion. The ending is actually one of my favorite endings of any series. It really does pull everything together and the action picks up as well. I think the first collection does a great job of setting the stage, building the story and introducing the characters. The second collection wraps it all up beautifully in the most epic way possible.
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jtk14



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:30 pm Reply with quote
What a worthless review. Are people really bored that easily by dialogue?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:48 pm Reply with quote
SthRandom wrote:
Barbobot wrote:
shureky wrote:
such as letting a guy like carlos so incompetent do this type of review
just give naruto shippuden higher score than F / Z in animation, loses all credibility..


To be fair, the Naruto Shippuden review people are referring to does contain probably the best animated episode in the whole series, Kyubbi Naruto vs Pain.
Indeed


Ahh yes, knew that one was going to come up.

The ever divisive episode 167. I think it's great myself.

I'd certianly give Naruto Shippuden a much better animation score than FZ.
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SthRandom



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:05 pm Reply with quote
Galap wrote:
SthRandom wrote:
Barbobot wrote:
shureky wrote:
such as letting a guy like carlos so incompetent do this type of review
just give naruto shippuden higher score than F / Z in animation, loses all credibility..


To be fair, the Naruto Shippuden review people are referring to does contain probably the best animated episode in the whole series, Kyubbi Naruto vs Pain.
Indeed


Ahh yes, knew that one was going to come up.

The ever divisive episode 167. I think it's great myself.

I'd certianly give Naruto Shippuden a much better animation score than FZ.
I certainly hope you are joking, as much as 167 had... unique animation, the rest of the series heavily suffers from terrible animation of long-running series.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:15 pm Reply with quote
Sure it has stretches of average and below animation, but Shippudden's high points are amazing. Between Hiroyuki Yamashita and Norio Matsumoto alone, it's an eyegasm. Throw in some Hironori Tanaka, Shingo Yamashita, and several other high grade animators and it's glorious.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:17 pm Reply with quote
SthRandom wrote:
I certainly hope you are joking, as much as 167 had... unique animation, the rest of the series heavily suffers from terrible animation of long-running series.


No joke at all: hell, here's a video that just got posted a couple of days ago. It's a collection of cool scenes from Naruto and Shippuden, and these are only done by one guy (Norio Matsumoto), and tons of other great animators worked on it. Sure a lot of the animation in Naruto is uninteresting, but a lot of the animation in everything isn't particularly interesting. Anime is a narrative too. Sometimes the story calls for people just standing there talking, or a pan over a vista or something. To me the quality of animation is determined by the high points, how much interesting stuff there is, and how interesting it is, rather than the uninteresting parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r818ApIgK5w

EDIT: Lol King of Harts, I didn't see that you'd linked the same video. I guess it must have been in both of our consciousnesses since it's so recent Laughing
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SthRandom



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:45 pm Reply with quote
While those particular scenes are pretty cool, such animation is quite rare in the series and looks completely different compared to the rest of the series, to point that anyone can notice it. In the end, you're left with a bad taste in mouth when there are three episodes in a row, each with considerably different art and animation quality. So basically, the consistency is the main problem here. I get it that there numerous problems to cope with, budget and what not, but these problems are way too obvious in Naruto Shipp's case. My opinion.
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Cptn_Taylor



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:22 pm Reply with quote
Levon_r wrote:
He gives Animation ratings of C or D more than any other reviewer here it seems. I'm betting its over 50% of his reviews. So its not that shocking guys. Razz


As opposed to giving only As and Bs ? Laughing What is it we say about cultural products, that over 70% of it is shit. And only a few really shine through. In this light even the Cs and Ds given out by Carlo may be much too generous.

Grade overinflation. They have the same problem at Harvard so why not have it at ANN ? Just issue new guidelines to give A+, A and A- for every review. Problem solved. Very Happy
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P(mv)rick



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:06 pm Reply with quote
Screw whatever animation shit these people are talking about. So you're telling me that Naruto and Ao no Exorcist have better stories than something like Fate/Zero?

I guess this is why I can never take 'pro' anime reviewers seriously. I wonder if it displays the standards of this anime community that I'm sadly associated with.
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Hypeathon



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:32 pm Reply with quote
P(mv)rick wrote:
Screw whatever animation shit these people are talking about. So you're telling me that Naruto and Ao no Exorcist have better stories than something like Fate/Zero?

No, it just means Carlo speaking for himself likes the story episodes in box set 14 of Naruto Shippuden and the whole Blue Exorcist show more than the first half of Fate Zero. It's not a matter of whether one is objectively better than the other, that's not the god damn point.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:20 pm Reply with quote
He makes some good points regarding the story and characters, and lets face it the Type/Moon stuff is always kinda a love it or hate it scenario, but I have to agree with the comments regarding the C grade on the animation. I'm not one to usually nitpick this kind of thing but it did raise an eyebrow or two when I saw that as for me the animation quality of Fate Zero is definitely one of it's stand out qualities. Sure the CG is not the greatest sometimes but compared to other anime I've seen it stands up better then most, and the animation overall is some of the best I've seen in anime to date.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:21 pm Reply with quote
acetatsujin wrote:
Biased review. Terrible review in all. And to sum it up, this person didn't play the visual novel NOR they read the light novel NOR they understand how the Fate universe works.

What more, Fate/Zero is done by ufotable who freaking did an amazing job that each episode felt not only epic but had some superb animation and details. There are RARELY series out there like Fate/Zero.

Fate/Stay Night: Heaven's Feel is in the works and ufotable/Type-Moon are working hard at it. Have someone who has played the Fate universe do the review and for god sakes compare ufotable to other animation studios works. This is a TV series that compiles amazing works on different levels.

Once again - you did a very, very terrible review.


true i dont agree with the review but i wouldnt go bashing the reviewer since none of us cant do better reviews.

Also FSN Realta Nua : Heaven's Feel is only getting a game release. NOT an anime release. Though it would be interesting if it did.
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Leebo



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:28 pm Reply with quote
jr0904 wrote:
Also FSN Realta Nua : Heaven's Feel is only getting a game release. NOT an anime release. Though it would be interesting if it did.


Perhaps he's assuming the announced (but incredibly vague with no details) FSN anime project is going to be a Heaven's Feel adaptation, but that's pure speculation at best.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:34 pm Reply with quote
Sasukeuzi wrote:
This has to be one of the most controversial reviews on ANN lol.


Not even the most controversial we've had this year, actually, but only a handful each year do achieve this degree of discussion.
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