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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:55 pm Reply with quote
I'm a big fan of the TV series, so naturally I decided to check out the first OVA episode when it was offered up at a convention over the weekend. Though played only in subs, it looked like it was from the upcoming official Geneon release.

I was mightily disappointed with what I saw. The first OVA episode, which covers the same territory as the first three TV episodes, might stay truer to the manga but it isn't an improvement. It had some silly humor that the TV series didn't have and explained a couple of points better, but it lacked the style and flair which made the TV series so great. It was also sorely deficient by comparison in character development; the TV series did a much better job of making even the villains seem alive. The music was a substantial degrade from the original, too, and I'm not convinced that the artwork was even as good.

Granted, the OVA did have its moments, but overall it's far inferior to the comparable content in the TV series.

Other thoughts/opinions from those who have seen both?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:05 pm Reply with quote
Stylistically I would say that the OVA did match the manga better, but somehow it never achieved the level of dynamic action seen in Hirano's work. Can't really put a finger on it but something was off.

I also liked the first vampire hunt with Seras much better in the original anime. In general I favor the slimmer look of the TV series but I still very much enjoyed the fight with Anderson. As far as the humor I know it seems very out of place but that is exactly as it comes off in the manga, where some really dark moments can be suddenly interruped by the bizzare comedy. Can't say I like it, but since the goal here is to follow the source material I wont complain.

Ultimately I would say the worth of the OVAs will be in how well they handle the story that the series did not. Hellsing gets incredibly awsome once the whole Nazi Freak war begins and as long as it gets animated properly it will still be superior to the series and its ridiculously lame ending.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:50 pm Reply with quote
I liked everything about Hellsing OVA except the music. I thought the music was what made the series in the original Hellsing TV, and to see the great soundtrack gone from the OVA was EXTREMELY disappointing for me.

Other than that, I like the fights, gore, art style, and characters better in the OVA. I haven't read the manga btw.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:09 pm Reply with quote
Key wrote:
style and flair


The style and flair of cheap computer animation and off-model character designs?

Aswell as introducing one of the most stockiest and boring plot-device villians out of nowhere?

I guess the TV series did paint a different picture of Hellsing than the Manga/OVA was/is going for, which is probably why it would seem dissapointing, because you're expecting a high-budget adaptation of the TV series.

Not that I'm berating you, but a lot of the production was made due to dissapointment in what the TV series was. Therefore it should've been more, well, obvious, that it'd be a different kind of feature to that of the TV series.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:15 pm Reply with quote
cheezisgoooood wrote:
I liked everything about Hellsing OVA except the music. I thought the music was what made the series in the original Hellsing TV, and to see the great soundtrack gone from the OVA was EXTREMELY disappointing for me.


disappointing is being nice, i think the music is absolutely awful. it doesn't even sound like a real score, it's like some kind of generic filler music that was just thrown in there on short notice. it makes it really hard to get into.

i do like the outro music though.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:39 pm Reply with quote
I thought, visually speaking, the OVA was better. If you're asking which I prefered? The series.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:39 pm Reply with quote
The OAV was over the top, chaotic, with a mix of sillines and gruesomeness and generally should not be taken seriously. In other words, it was just like the manga Razz And I liked it. Granted, I wasnt swished off my feet by the first instalment of this new Hellsing, but I am still having high expectations for the next episodes, when they come out.

Of course the series does have it flaws. The music... I simply loved the music from the original TV series, but the OAV had nothing of this sort. Like the Batman Begins movie. Loved the movie, had it flaws, but the music could use a little bit more touching up. And... god dammit, who HONESTLY can say they didn't crack up when Andersen TRIED talking in English? I almost pissed my pants at that moment.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:06 pm Reply with quote
Steventheeunuch wrote:
The style and flair of cheap computer animation and off-model character designs?

Aswell as introducing one of the most stockiest and boring plot-device villians out of nowhere?

I guess the TV series did paint a different picture of Hellsing than the Manga/OVA was/is going for, which is probably why it would seem dissapointing, because you're expecting a high-budget adaptation of the TV series.

Not that I'm berating you, but a lot of the production was made due to dissapointment in what the TV series was. Therefore it should've been more, well, obvious, that it'd be a different kind of feature to that of the TV series.


I think you're missing the fact that I'm only comparing equivalent content here - i.e. the first OVA episode vs. the first volume of the TV series, which cover the same story ground. Granted, I wasn't impressed with Incognito or the ending of the TV series, either, but that's not what's being compared here.

And again, while I'm sure the occasional silliness does match the manga better, I found it more detracting than entertaining.

And is it just me, or does the artwork really break down at a couple of points?

Anyway, I'll probably still get it when it comes out in the States, if only to see what alternate direction the later episodes take the story. I'll also be curious to see if they use an entirely different English dub cast, as the original dub cast worked so well.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:12 pm Reply with quote
I hated Icogneto (I could care less how you spell that stupid name) with a passion, however I admire their attempt to try to make up some filler like story because the manga wasn't far enough to follow the origenal story with the origenal TV series.

Personally I really liked the OVA, however I believe it wasn't as impacting as the TV series simply because I read the manga first, then saw the TV series, then the manga, so I KNEW what was gonna happen, and I'd seen it animated before. I believe as the OVA continues and we get to the parts we havn't seen animated yet, it'll get more intresting.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:39 pm Reply with quote
I was a bit disappointed in the OVA. The whole thing felt rushed since they were trying to fit an entire volume's worth of material into a single episode. Even at 50 minutes, it needed more time.

In addition, the TV series did a better job at setting a dark atmosphere. In fact, the OVA pretty much lacked an atmosphere due to the rushed nature of the show. I have no problem with the inclusion of the humor, which the manga does have, but I missed the atmoshpere of the TV series.

Honestly, for the material thats been covered so far, I think the TV series was better. However, even if the new manga-based material is rushed, it will be far better than the latter portion of the TV series.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:29 am Reply with quote
I like the OAV a lot. Screw the fact that it feels rushed since the there's not much to the characters in the first place besides Seras. Granted, I've only read up to vol.2 of the manga, but the Hellsing franchise never struck me as something deep or full of meaning. It's just bloody good violence with all sorts of cool weapons, powers, and factions going at it.

After reading vol.1 and watching episode 1 of the OAV, aside from Integra's flashback, it was just like watching the manga in color and motion.

Compared to TV, I prefer OAV's art. I watched a little of TV ep.1 after watching OAV ep.1 and just couldn't get used to how digital everyone looked. The color and painting felt too computerized and saturated as opposed to the darker tones and shading of OAV.

The designs also look.. "edgier" (I guess would be the right word). In the manga I got the sense that a lot of the characters felt kind of feminine, sometimes too much. But in such a fantastic world (as in full of fantasy), you'd expect a big, bad vampire like Alucard to look creepy and foreboding instead of the skinny, thin-haired guy on page 16 of vol.1.

Not to say I don't like the manga art. But when making the transition to anime, you have so many things at your disposal, you can't help but make improvements or altercations when needed. And in the case of OAV, I think the more "dehumanized" designs and outlining really brings out that dark atmosphere through the characters and background (I prefer a dark, black sky as opposed to a bright, red one).

Animation is obviously better with the higher budget. And Gonzo has been known for having their ups and downs in this department throughout various series as well, so that takes care of that.

The music of OAV didn't bug me as much as most people complain. Yes, I admit TV's soundtrack is pretty rocking, but I'm pretty open to a wide variety of sounds so long as they have some kind of flow. OAV mixes orchestral, techno, and a lot of stuff I'm not really sure how to identify, but I still like it.

Overall, there's nothing I can complain about. It's still as entertaining as any part of Hellsing whether it be manga, TV, or this new adaptation. I'm still having fun watching, and that's all that matters Razz.

Key wrote:
I'll also be curious to see if they use an entirely different English dub cast, as the original dub cast worked so well.

Didn't you get the memo? Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:16 am Reply with quote
I saw the OVA a few months ago, and I thought it was on par with or somewhat better than the TV series (in view of content, not the way Hellsing TV). I did crack up at the attempted English, and a lot of the fights were impressive. Still, I didn't really think, "Wow, this is soooo much better than the TV series." I liked the TV's focus on Seras Victoria more, at least as long as it continued. Then again, I haven't read the manga, so I can't be impressed by the faithfulness-to-the-manga qualities of the OVA.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:02 am Reply with quote
Hellsing TV

Pros:
-The animation was pretty solid early on
-Great voice acting in both languages
-Funky yet freaky soundtrack
-I have to admit I love Seras' blue uniform
-Some cool action in the later episodes
Cons:
-The animation becomes very inconsistent
-Bad CGI
-The story becomes nonsensical
-The non-manga supporting characters are forgettable
-Incognito; there are Digimon villains cooler than this reject from Tron

Verdict: The first seven episodes are great. Everything afterwards is best left buried in the Blockbuster bargain bin.

Hellsing Ultimate

Pros:
-Superb animation
-Better CGI
-Much faster pacing, no filler here
-The original cast returns (Anderson's new seiyuu is a blast)
-The music, while not as quirky as the TV show's, is still cool
-Has a goofier sense of humour
-Double the gore; ghouls bleed good ol' plasma instead of dust

Cons:
-It's a little too fast-paced, seldom giving the viewer a breather
-Seras' yellow uniform takes some getting used to
-Uh, not much else

Verdict: HU vol. 1 delivers the all the sexy, darkly comic ultraviolence of the manga with fangs bared and the safety off. I can't wait for more. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:01 am Reply with quote
Added this thread to the Discussion Index under the TV series, as there are some decently apt contrasts/comparisons.
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