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H. Guderian
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 2:56 pm |
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I too would like to think that roughly half the population has a comparative amount of money.
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musouka
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 3:15 pm |
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Yeah, I’d also pinpoint the boom as starting around 2010-2011. (It’s funny how clearly I can remember putting the sales number of shows popular with women together, trying to prove to people that there was an untapped market) I think the market still tends to be too cautious in its support for female-oriented titles (the things that tend to get greenlit have a more proven track record: sports or idols), but it’s not like anime really likes taking risks in general.
{Edit}: How about you not leave troll bait comments for those people you mentioned? Thanks. ~ Psycho 101
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BodaciousSpacePirate
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 4:40 pm |
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| H. Guderian wrote: | | I too would like to think that roughly half the population has a comparative amount of money. |
You'd think that would be obvious, but you should have seen all the ridiculous early-00's industry pieces about how marketing anime to women was a complete waste, because they'd much rather spend money on fabric to make cosplay than on DVDs.
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DerekL1963
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 4:47 pm |
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Seems to me that "women otaku exist, have money, and are becoming a force in the marketplace" is something that is discovered and breathlessly pronounced radical and important.... about three or four times a year.
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BodaciousSpacePirate
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 4:53 pm |
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| DerekL1963 wrote: | | Seems to me that "women otaku exist, have money, and are becoming a force in the marketplace" is something that is discovered and breathlessly pronounced radical and important.... about three or four times a year. |
I just finished up a section of my dissertation that cited a bunch of old sci fi 'zines from the 60s and 70s, and believe me, people have been continuously "discovering" the astounding existence of women geeks for at least fifty years.
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musouka
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 4:54 pm |
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| DerekL1963 wrote: | | Seems to me that "women otaku exist, have money, and are becoming a force in the marketplace" is something that is discovered and breathlessly pronounced radical and important.... about three or four times a year. |
Perhaps there will be less of a need to state the obvious when the obvious is finally treated as such by fandom.
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kinghumanity
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pm |
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It’s been a year and a half since Yuri on Ice became a money printing machine, and almost six years since Free!, and people are still surprised that women have money?
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musouka
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 5:03 pm |
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| kinghumanity wrote: | | It’s been a year and a half since Yuri on Ice became a money printing machine, and almost six years since Free!, and people are still surprised that women have money? |
Yuri on Ice? Free? Don’t you know we have male fans to thank for the overwhelming success those two found in disc sales?
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Chrono1000
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 5:20 pm |
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| musouka wrote: | | Perhaps there will be less of a need to state the obvious when the obvious is finally treated as such by fandom. | I think most people are alright with people spending money on the type of anime that they like. The problem is with the western feminist approach of trying to censor the anime that they dislike. That is the issue that people have problems with since it treats anime as a zero sum game.
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manapear
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 6:58 pm |
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Agreeing with above sentiments. It's funny how they keep rediscovering this. You'd think after the many female-oriented and aim shows that take the Blue-Rays charts and rise in merch sales, they'd stop finding this surprising. Certainly, a look at why can be kind of eye-opening, but still.
It's funny how this pattern works though. Sure, the male fandom has always bought Gunpla more than the female fandom. But Tomino himself and one of the other older, creative leads have talked before about how the female side of fandom was more actively engaged with the show and helped keep the series going.
And for gaming, while the female audience seems to buy the games less (supposedly?), the Tales team has stated that they buy the most merch. And you can kind of see it in the kind of material they make to cater the merch (and even the phone games).
Female fandom is getting more open in their support of series with male characters, but also female characters. Love Live, Aikatsu! and Cinderella Girls all have huge, older, female fanbases. (Aikatsu! and CG especially, it seems.)
I never heard of the particular book that's referenced in the article, but I need to hunt it down more to see what other elaborations it makes.
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Chester McCool
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 7:22 pm |
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| musouka wrote: | | Yuri on Ice? Free? Don’t you know we have male fans to thank for the overwhelming success those two found in disc sales? |
No one's arguing against that. Popular shows are generally loved by both genders. It's hard to have such a huge success when only half the population is interested in it. We had big people like Johnny Weir showing his love for Yuri on Ice so no one is arguing men aren't half the audience as well. Stuff may be targeted at one gender, but anime and manga have a lot of crossover appeal. Stuff like One Piece and High School DxD are aimed at guys, but have a large female following as well. Anyone who tries to insist something is popular only because of one group is generally close-minded and ignorant.
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Peebs
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 8:39 pm |
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| Chrono1000 wrote: | | musouka wrote: | | Perhaps there will be less of a need to state the obvious when the obvious is finally treated as such by fandom. |
I think most people are alright with people spending money on the type of anime that they like. The problem is with the western feminist approach of trying to censor the anime that they dislike. That is the issue that people have problems with since it treats anime as a zero sum game. |
Receipts?
I dislike a lot of T&A anime and I don't censor it in any way, shape, or form. I don't have that kind of power to stop somebody else from watching something they like. So you either prove "the western feminist approach of trying to censor the anime that they dislike" or you can start censoring yourself. Teehee.
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Яeverse
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 11:46 pm |
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| manapear wrote: | | Agreeing with above sentiments. It's funny how they keep rediscovering this. You'd think after the many female-oriented and aim shows that take the Blue-Rays charts and rise in merch sales, they'd stop finding this surprising. Certainly, a look at why can be kind of eye-opening, but still.
It's funny how this pattern works though. Sure, the male fandom has always bought Gunpla more than the female fandom. But Tomino himself and one of the other older, creative leads have talked before about how the female side of fandom was more actively engaged with the show and helped keep the series going.
And for gaming, while the female audience seems to buy the games less (supposedly?), the Tales team has stated that they buy the most merch. And you can kind of see it in the kind of material they make to cater the merch (and even the phone games).
Female fandom is getting more open in their support of series with male characters, but also female characters. Love Live, Aikatsu! and Cinderella Girls all have huge, older, female fanbases. (Aikatsu! and CG especially, it seems.)
I never heard of the particular book that's referenced in the article, but I need to hunt it down more to see what other elaborations it makes. |
We get merchandise sales numbers? Since when? How many can badges and stickers and clear files must be sold to even generate a sizeable profit. I think people vastly over estimate merchandise sales.
Though I've spent > $3000 on Free! And utapri/ittoki otoya stuff. My husbandos. Team maleOtaku.
Oddly they mention dj events but none of that money goes to the original content creator.
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Chrono1000
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 11:49 pm |
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| Peebs wrote: | | Receipts?
I dislike a lot of T&A anime and I don't censor it in any way, shape, or form. I don't have that kind of power to stop somebody else from watching something they like. So you either prove "the western feminist approach of trying to censor the anime that they dislike" or you can start censoring yourself. Teehee. | AnimeFeminist would be the easy example. One of the main goals of that website is to make anime more inclusive which of course means to exclude fanservice that is made for men. They also hate Puella Magi Madoka Magica since it is not suitable for children and for some reason they believe that anime that is made for men must also be suitable for children. Note that this baffling requirement doesn't apply to anime that is made for women. The double standards are somewhat noticeable on that website.
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Ashen Phoenix
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 12:29 am |
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| Chrono1000 wrote: | | Peebs wrote: | | Receipts?
I dislike a lot of T&A anime and I don't censor it in any way, shape, or form. I don't have that kind of power to stop somebody else from watching something they like. So you either prove "the western feminist approach of trying to censor the anime that they dislike" or you can start censoring yourself. Teehee. |
AnimeFeminist would be the easy example. One of the main goals of that website is to make anime more inclusive which of course means to exclude fanservice that is made for men. They also hate Puella Magi Madoka Magica since it is not suitable for children and for some reason they believe that anime that is made for men must also be suitable for children. Note that this baffling requirement doesn't apply to anime that is made for women. The double standards are somewhat noticeable on that website. |
With respect, I feel that is an inaccurate depiction of AnimeFeminist as a whole. The overarching issue I've seen that they have with fan service is when it's done at the expense of the female characters' agency/consent. I've read a great deal of their articles and have no recollection of "anime that is made for men must also be suitable for children."
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