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Hiroki not Takuya



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:01 pm Reply with quote
My bugaboo is pseudo or "nonsense"-science used lazily to make magic plausible (don't quote Clarke, that's a faulty opinion) but with the one central exception, the show is being legit and with intelligent writing to boot. The muscle-y "villain" isn't dumb either for a change. Thus, I am enjoying this 100% (what Senku says in Japanese BTW)! Other plot holes are scattered around but not so big or as much as to make the show unenjoyable so here's to expecting a good series with a good moral dilemma...
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Megiddo



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I dropped this one after the second episode as I couldn't get over some really dumb writing. I'm supposed to believe that this guy actually cares about the wellbeing of his crush by instead of freeing her from her stone prison he instead picks her up haphazardly and takes a big fall where she could have easily been broken on any one of the million branches of the canopy they fell through? Yeah, nothing shows one's commitment to another than putting them in mortal peril for no reason.

Then we got a guy who somehow has enough strength after being petrified for thousands of years to take down a big lion in one punch? Haha. There is a limit to dumb writing that I'm willing to accept and this show crossed that limit in less than 2 episodes.
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Hiroki not Takuya



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:12 am Reply with quote
Hmmm...human-size stone statues are usually fairly solid and being chased by lions is a definite plot contrivance but not symptomatic of lack of thought necessarily. The show provided for why the lions were there and why they weren't mauled outright. Yes, we are expected to believe that petrification enables near-perfect preservation (major nonsense plot hole) but Samson was a real person so only implausibly convenient.

Dumb writing wouldn't have Senku signalling why Tsukasa was a potential problem when he was helpful and had every reason to be grateful for his release if you ask me. Or why it made sense to tell him about the origin of the "miracle fluid" to spoiler[give them time to destroy the utensils to make it and get away before he could force them to divulge the info on how it was made.] Even before that, Senku slipped by stating CaCO3 had four major uses and caught himself because of his misgivings by retroactively omitting the one use that could make spoiler[a weapon (making iron)].

I expect we will also see another great use signaled in Ep3, blindingly bright artificial light when heated and directed with a good mirror (Buddha be praised).
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Gina Szanboti



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:48 am Reply with quote
Hiroki not Takuya wrote:
I expect we will also see another great use signaled in Ep3, blindingly bright artificial light when heated and directed with a good mirror (Buddha be praised).

Sure you're not thinking of calcium carbide (CaC2) used in miners' lamps?

I'm enjoying this very much so far. Meathead's meatheadedness is starting to wear a little thin already, but if he'll at least stop yelling all his lines, I can live with it. And for the most part, I think I'm on Tarzan's side, except for the randomly killing everyone over 20 part. Never hurts to leave them there, you might need them some day. Besides, smashing several billion people is going to get tiring after awhile. Courting repetitive stress injuries, he is.
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kotomikun



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:17 am Reply with quote
Megiddo wrote:
Then we got a guy who somehow has enough strength after being petrified for thousands of years to take down a big lion in one punch? Haha. There is a limit to dumb writing that I'm willing to accept and this show crossed that limit in less than 2 episodes.

3 episodes in, I'm pretty convinced this show is intentionally going for the same sort of excessively cheesy, too-anime-for-anime vibe of stuff like JoJo's and Gurren Lagann. It's maybe a little strange to combine that with mostly-accurate science, but the stuff you're calling dumb is just part of the whole shtick for this type of show.

So far, the main bit that seemed off was how Super Violence Man also turns out to be some sort of deductive genius. Like, we already established that he's the "world's strongest high-schooler," i.e. the character with all the cartoon combat cliches; allowing him to figure out Senku's schemes based on almost no information seems shoehorned in to make him a more formidable villain. On the plus side, though, Only Girl Character So Far, previously a petrified damsel, already got to do a thing (by spotting something important that boy-genius didn't notice), so plus one point for that.
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Hiroki not Takuya



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:22 am Reply with quote
Gina Szanboti wrote:
Sure you're not thinking of calcium carbide (CaC2) used in miners' lamps?...
Hi! No, check out "limelight" which can be made a couple of ways with CaCO3 or CaSO4.(H2O)2. If you have a piece of chalk and a torch from Home Depot, put the flame on that bad boy and don't look too long, it will light up a room! (I've done it myself). Smile
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meiam



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:39 am Reply with quote
kotomikun wrote:

3 episodes in, I'm pretty convinced this show is intentionally going for the same sort of excessively cheesy, too-anime-for-anime vibe of stuff like JoJo's and Gurren Lagann. It's maybe a little strange to combine that with mostly-accurate science, but the stuff you're calling dumb is just part of the whole shtick for this type of show.


I kinda agree with the jojo comparison, the show is definitely full of dumb writing (plot element are dropped, like the "losing your mind after 3700 years in stone" and such, the bad guys plan rely on people not aging, what decay or nor is all over the place, etc) but at the same time it's so over the top (teenager beating a bunch of lion) that it's impossible to take seriously and so the dumb writing just seems like it's par for the course. Although that rely on the show not being very serious and being closer to comedy than shonen/action, so it's possible it'll change over the next few episodes and try to be more serious and if that's not accompanied by a big increase in writing quality then it'll become a problem.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:29 am Reply with quote
I read quite a bit of the source manga, and I think the first arc is the weakest and Tsukasa’s kind of ridiculous (but necessary, I guess) villain. Everything but the actual science facts are intended to be over the top and a little silly, though, but personally I think the story majorly improves when we meet all the characters in the OP spoiler[I just wish there were a girl as interested in science as some of the boys].





kotomikun wrote:
Megiddo wrote:
Then we got a guy who somehow has enough strength after being petrified for thousands of years to take down a big lion in one punch? Haha. There is a limit to dumb writing that I'm willing to accept and this show crossed that limit in less than 2 episodes.

3 episodes in, I'm pretty convinced this show is intentionally going for the same sort of excessively cheesy, too-anime-for-anime vibe of stuff like JoJo's and Gurren Lagann. It's maybe a little strange to combine that with mostly-accurate science, but the stuff you're calling dumb is just part of the whole shtick for this type of show.

So far, the main bit that seemed off was how Super Violence Man also turns out to be some sort of deductive genius. Like, we already established that he's the "world's strongest high-schooler," i.e. the character with all the cartoon combat cliches; allowing him to figure out Senku's schemes based on almost no information seems shoehorned in to make him a more formidable villain. On the plus side, though, Only Girl Character So Far, previously a petrified damsel, already got to do a thing (by spotting something important that boy-genius didn't notice), so plus one point for that.

How did everyone’s muscles hold up so well after thousands of years? I agree, Super Violence Man is both too smart and too...absolutest (every adult? Surely, you’d want to save some useful ones, like a doctor at least!) But the story needs a villain and everything else about the premise is over-the-top.
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Iron Maw



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:53 am Reply with quote
People complaining about realism in a show features literal stone magic.

Okay
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Revolutionary



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:41 pm Reply with quote
kotomikun wrote:
So far, the main bit that seemed off was how Super Violence Man also turns out to be some sort of deductive genius. Like, we already established that he's the "world's strongest high-schooler," i.e. the character with all the cartoon combat cliches; allowing him to figure out Senku's schemes based on almost no information seems shoehorned in to make him a more formidable villain.


Yeah, honestly this is the main thing that bothered me, too. I can understand that the author needed to give him some motivation and way to find the protagonists; however, I just don't think that was executed too well. He's just too perfect, and even in a series already full of convenient 'perfect' characters (like Senku with his perfect intelligence and knowledge of science/technology), it felt very forced that he was instantly able to deduce that not only did Senku and the others not merely run away, and not only were they up to something, but that he knew exactly what they were up to.

I think the series could have rolled on just fine with it stopping at him sensing that Senku wouldn't just run, and that Senku must be up to something, without him knowing exactly what Senku was up to. spoiler[The smoke signal in this last Friday's episode would have been a good signal for him to figure out where they were and what they were up to. And yeah, honestly after watching this last episode, I'm even more baffled why they had to go down that road of making him so perfect and knowing everything, when that smoke signal plotpoint would be right there in the next episode.]
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Gina Szanboti



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:21 pm Reply with quote
I don't understand this complaint. Why can't he be smart and strong? His intelligence isn't on par with Senku's, but he is smart enough to know survival skills and tracking, and to be engaged with environmentalism and the politics thereof. Not only does that make him a good villain, it breaks the strong and stupid stereotype that Taiju embodies.

And a lot of us ordinary folks figured out that Senku was going to make gunpowder (it really was inevitable, and not just from a story-telling standpoint). I think most people are at least aware that sulfur and charcoal are needed to make it. Tsukasa could tell by tracking them where they might be headed (he probably knows that area well from camping trips, despite the changes over millennia), and I think every Japanese person knows hot springs often stink of sulfur. It doesn't take a genius to put that together and guess what Senku was planning. The smoke just pinpointed their location so he didn't need to waste time tracking.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:31 pm Reply with quote
The main character gets RIP’D in the Episode que ending credits of the shortest anime in history!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:40 pm Reply with quote
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I've never been a fan of the idea that girls are too dumb to realize when a dude is waffling around with their feelings, and since Yuzuriha clearly isn't, all this does is make me like Taiju less.


Taiju didn't get cold feet, he felt that confessing when he's one of the only men alive (that they know of) would have been putting Yuzuriha on the spot, and would have been massively unfair to her. That's why he asks her to wait until after they've succeeded in restoring the rest of humanity, so it'll actually be her choice whether or not she returns his feelings.
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Marimo0



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:43 pm Reply with quote
I didn't mind Taiju putting his declaration on hold. Given how Yuzuriha seems to have an idea of what was going to be said, it felt more like they kind of knew how the other felt, but they decided to put having a relationship on hold until after they get a civilization back up and running.
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Dop.L



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:42 pm Reply with quote
The thing I have about this show is that in some ways (especially shouty guy) it really irritates me. Then I realise that ten year old me would have absolutely loved this show to bits, and for the sake of my former self I'm prepared to give it the benefit of the doubt, as some bits are genuinely good.

I really loved the flashback, where Senku's dad sold his car to get his son a good start by giving him what he needed to learn about the science he so loved. Anime Dad of the Year, probably.

Though the gunpowder bit did reach whole new levels of "Say kids! Don't try this at home!" potential mishaps!
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