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Hal14
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| BadNewsBlues wrote: | |
Just curious remembering how up in arms people got over Fates slightly toning down certain fanservice elements from the original release. While also remembering how the fanservice is what kept the series from being locked away ala F-Zero. So if you take that out….. |
Both 3 houses and even Engage have toned down the fanservice compared to Fates original release and have/will probably sell better, respectively. Awakening is what saved the franchise and it wasn't as fanservice heavy as Fates (at the very least I don't remember a petting mechanic in Awakening and the child mechanic was better received in that game).
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Cryten
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:58 am |
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Curious you say saved the franchise when the games seem to have been big hits to the point of getting the largest portion of all smash characters in smash brothers. They became big hits in the fates and three houses era sure but I am not sure the franchise was in any danger that needed saving. It just moved from regular franchise to tentpole franchise.
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reynado
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 7:28 am |
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| Hal14 wrote: | | Both 3 houses and even Engage have toned down the fanservice compared to Fates original release and have/will probably sell better, respectively. Awakening is what saved the franchise and it wasn't as fanservice heavy as Fates (at the very least I don't remember a petting mechanic in Awakening and the child mechanic was better received in that game). |
I would say the only main difference between Awakening and Fates is the petting system. They both have swimsuit DLC with illustration renders of the characters so in terms of visuals I don't think there's any big difference between the two. If anything I think the Awakening illustrations are a bit more risque like Tharja's, which was censored in the English version. Three Houses didn't have any swimsuits at all unless you count their Heroes banner but Engage brings them back which is nice to see again.
I think the main issue is the American localization really seems to be aiming itself at the kind of people who complain about Fire Emblem being 'too anime'. The complaints about the characters being over-designed, the fanservice, the 'quirky' personalities. Maybe the same people who groan every time a new Fire Emblem character gets announced in Smash Bros and genuinely seem to think Fire Emblem was never anime-inspired until Awakening despite the older games openly taking direct influences from Gundam. Fire Emblem is aiming at a more casual audience in America going off the way its been marketed through its American versions. Maybe that's also why we never got Cipher since the more casual fan wouldn't be interested in anime style card games. Although I wonder if Cipher came out today they'd bring it over as anime card games like Digimon, Dragonball Super, and One Piece seem to be taking off in America now and doing pretty well.
Although if we're talking sexualization, Heroes has them all beat by a mile, as one would expect from a gacha game. Heroes boasts it's horniness loud and proud and is also the most profitable and successful Fire Emblem game. At any rate, I do think Engage is a step up in every way from Three Houses except maybe English localization. Three Houses' localization had some pretty awkward changes to the plot and characters and while I haven't played Engage in English myself the scenes I see posted online do seem quite a bit different from the Japanese version I've played and going back to the old Awakening/Fates era of changes. Luckily these days all the different language versions are all on the same cartridge so one doesn't need to worry about importing and the original version is right there.
| Cryten wrote: | | Curious you say saved the franchise when the games seem to have been big hits to the point of getting the largest portion of all smash characters in smash brothers. They became big hits in the fates and three houses era sure but I am not sure the franchise was in any danger that needed saving. It just moved from regular franchise to tentpole franchise. |
Before Awakening there were only 2 Fire Emblem characters in Smash, Roy and Marth. That's the same number of characters as there are for Mother with Ness and Lucas. Awakening was going to be the last game in the franchise and the swansong for the series but then Awakening did extremely well in Japan and brought in a ton of new fans and players to the game and revitalized the franchise and reshaped it to what it is today.
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b-dragon
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:40 am |
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| Cryten wrote: | | Curious you say saved the franchise when the games seem to have been big hits to the point of getting the largest portion of all smash characters in smash brothers. They became big hits in the fates and three houses era sure but I am not sure the franchise was in any danger that needed saving. It just moved from regular franchise to tentpole franchise. |
Nah, prior to Awakening Fire Emblem just about died. It had been performing progressively worse, but neither of the Tellius games (Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn on the Gamecube and Switch respectively,) sold particularly well, with RD specifically tanking. There were likely a few reasons for this- an unusual narrative structure, functionally killing supports (at least in terms of writing,) and some sort of weirdness with the difficulty, making it really hard. Awakening was developed as part swan song and part hail mary for the franchise. This is why it is both very reflective on many prior installments, and extremely different from what came before. Purists from the prior era can/have been touchy about this.
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Treecko Tempo
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:10 am |
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| reynado wrote: | |
Before Awakening there were only 2 Fire Emblem characters in Smash, Roy and Marth. That's the same number of characters as there are for Mother with Ness and Lucas. . |
Ike was also in the game before Awakening, since he was in Brawl.
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Connor Dino
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:33 am |
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| Siegel Clyne wrote: | | Connor Dino wrote: | | Siegel Clyne wrote: | I became familiar with Fire Emblem Engage character designer Mika Pikazo's work back in 2017 with her character design for Kaguya Luna, who along with Kizuna Ai (2016), Mirai Akai (2017), Dennou Shoujo Siro (2017), and Noja Loli Kitsunemusume (2017; one of the first babiniku VTubers) - comprised the first generation VTubers in Japan who spawned the current global VTuber trend.
At this time, Kaguya Luna is no longer active as a VTuber. These days, the woman who voiced her is concentrating on her earlier Pmaru-sama. (P丸様。) YouTube utaite channel (2016).
A number of real-life YouTubers and Twitch streamers have gone VTuber, such as American singer and voice actress Amanda LEE aka AmaLee, and Australian voice actress Shū UCHIDA (e.g., Mia Taylor in Love Live!).
It can be argued that the world's first true VTuber is Ami Yamato. A Japanese national born in Japan who grew up in both Japan and the UK, London-based Yamato debuted July 13, 2011 on YouTube donning a virtual avatar. (To this day, I have no idea what the bilingual Ami Yamato looks like.)
Mika Pikazo's artwork has often been featured on Japanese future core artist PSYQUI's music videos.
Pikazo designed hololive-EN VTuber Hakos Baelz.
Hololive-EN VTuber Takanashi Kiara has been streaming playing Fire Emblem Engage with Alear-colored hair. |
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Yes.
I follow more than just anime and video games.
Love 'em or hate 'em...Mika Pikazo character designs are rather unique. |
My bafflement has more to do with the extensive/random deep dive you posted. It would be like me sharing all my foreign policy knowledge about China's governmental structure in an article that mentions Chinese censorship. Not unwelcome...just entirely unasked (and unprompted) for.
But hey, whatever floats your boat.
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Dark Mac
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 4:36 pm |
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Engage's characters have a lot of variety, but many of them have bad elements too. Like, what the hell is that thing on Ivy's head? She'd look way better without it there.
I think they look worse in-game than in Mika Pikazo's art too. Everyone's way too round. This is especially noticeable if you look at the old characters in Engage - Corrin looks AWFUL.
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