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Harleyquin
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How to start a fire: 1. Magically generate sparks to ignite dry firewood. 2. Magically generate fire to light the firewood. 3. Magically induce spontaneous combustion. The problem: Stark's body temperature is still falling despite being wrapped in a blanket and sat next to the fireplace. 1. Sparks won't help Stark. 2. Generating magical fire long enough to raise his body temperature without the caster losing control and burning the hut down or exhausting magic power through the process when there's a fireplace up is impractical at best. 3. They're trying to save Stark, not kill him by igniting his innards. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothermia My vote is for setting up the comedy moment when Stark gets up, but viewers are free to argue how impractical anything shown in this episode is with regards to hypothermia treatment. It is a fantasy setting after all, not a real-time simulator. |
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zfunk
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Having just read chapter 117, spoiler[Knowing what I know now, makes me look at Fireren a little differently. And make me want to re examine her history.]
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Edjwald
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Thanks for the spoiler warning Zfunk.
There are 3 shows that I really like but I don't post on them because I like the dub version better, so I'm constantly 2 episodes behind (this one, Apothecary Diaries, and Jujutsu Kaisen though Jujutsu has gotten a wee bit stuck in the weeds IMHO). And I don't want to pop on the boards and find out something that will ruin next week for me. But I felt compelled to post on this one today because I saw it up top, and it's my favorite of the season. And I just um, wanted to say that it's my favorite of the season. So, y'know...it's my favorite...of the season. (Happy Thanksgiving) |
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smurky turkey
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Another amazing episode this week with a bit of action, drama and funny antics. That said, I especially liked the theme about being a hero. Himmel proved that being a hero is possible without any special powers or weapons gifted by god. Not being able to pull the sword out of the ground may make you a fake hero, yet the fake hero did defeat the demon king and accomplished what only a hero is supposed to be able to do. In that sense the sword seems like nothing more than a crutch to make your changes of succeeding higher rather than a test if you are a hero or not.
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Harleyquin
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#12
This is another episode where nothing much really happens for their journey, and more time is devoted to exposition of the past so that the present Frieren and company live in becomes that much clearer for viewers. The episode title's meaning is made clear in the first half. We viewers didn't see too much of Himmel in action, but he certainly could fight. Despite his skill, he wasn't deemed worthy enough to pull the franchise's Caliburn. In the end, he proved his point that he could still save the world even if the Sword didn't acknowledge him. Replica or not, his weapon remained sharp enough to cut demons clean through. Although he was a narcissist and had the statues put up for several reasons, public relations propaganda wasn't something he engaged in. Heiter knew the truth which was why Fern never heard the tale, while Stark like just about everyone else who heard about Himmel and company's exploits believed he did pull the sword out. Frieren living long enough to learn first-hand that veneration comes before veracity. The second half of the episode deals with Stark. The series's coward at heart, once he gets going he's no worse than Eisen in battle. His background isn't a happy one either; Eisen hinted at it in earlier episodes but it is only here we learn the identity of the slick-haired warrior in the OP. Stark actually forgot he did receive a present from his family, that or he never got the chance to eat it because the demons attacked that same night and he lost everything shortly after. Frieren's first choice for a birthday gift was in terrible taste, but her second attempt was much more appropriate and even she smiled seeing his reaction to the steak. He might be a coward, but he's nice, helpful to all those in need and more or less acts just under his biological age which is why kids love being around him. His relationship with Fern in particular will be one to watch; she's more prone to showing emotion when he's involved and her expressions are always a good source of humour in this show. She's already met one elf, and next week suggests she meet another. Considering how rarely Frieren encounters her own kind due to their scarcity, it's got to be some occasion. |
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Harleyquin
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#13
The episode title misled me: I initially thought Frieren was going to meet another elf this week. Turns out she meant something more figurative: Sein has so much in common with the Frieren of the past that she can't help but dislike him for reminding her of what she used to be before Himmel changed her. If I'm being honest, this is probably the weakest of the episodes to date because Sein isn't that interesting on his debut. There's no doubting the value he brings to the party: he is so ridiculously skilled at healing he saved Stark in a couple of seconds when his older brother had given Stark up for dead for not being treated earlier. This is in spite of him being so steeped in vice he makes the alcoholic Heiter seem like a living saint. Whatever principles holy magic wielded by priests follow, it certainly doesn't requite the practitioner to be piously devout. That said, his negativity and air of resignation have a severity rivalling that of Stark's cowardice. The two of them have common cause because Fern treats them like dung when she's angered, so they'll get along fine. What remains to be seen is his combat potential: if he's like Heiter and casts spells from the back the current Frieren party isn't balanced as it's two offensive spellcasters and a healer priest being covered by just one (very tough) warrior. If Sein can fight side by side with Stark, then the party is complete. Not much happens in the episode as the trio spend the entire week attempting to win Sein over, only for his older brother to finally lose it and effectively drive Sein out of the village to face his regrets head-on. Although it would have been a much faster outcome if he had just gone and done it from the start, we viewers wouldn't have seen what motivates Sein as well as Frieren's own motivations to getting Sein off his backside. Although a comparatively weak one-off episode, now that Sein is in the party the dynamics change as Stark finally has someone he can find refuge with when Fern becomes too overbearing. With the four of them travelling together, it also widens the challenges they can face head on. This I'm looking forward to, as a middle-aged priest who thinks he's past it might well find his exceptional healing powers being more effective than he initially thinks. |
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zfunk
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Frieren, seduction pose, now that is something I never thought I see, and what it ended up being was just can't put into words.
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smurky turkey
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Yeah, that was a pretty unexpected moment. The episode was rather calm, yet not a single episode has bored me for even a second thus far. I like Sein as an addition to the party. He will keep things lively and he has some amazing healing abilities (to the point where I wonder if he has a blessing or is just a genius).
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yuna49
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Fern's reaction expecting that same kiss curse would blow her over like Himmel was, umm, enlightening. I think it has more to do with Fern's inherent distrust and often dislike of men. |
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Hiroki not Takuya
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Seems the writer has a sense of humor that isn't always dry as the Sahara as it has been, but the gimmick is perfectly crafted for her low-key personality. Love that she finished it off with a "well I suppose you might be too young for this, sonny" and then tries to cover for it not working by using an example of how it is irresistible, too much for mere mortal men (Himmel) to handle. Also has humor aftershocks such as begging the question "what was Flamme teaching you anyway?" after Frieren asks what Heiter was teaching Fern. This is the best episode to date IMHO as it strikes the best balance of humor with heartfelt emotions and I think Sein is the most realistic person as well. A welcome addition and very relatable, a good vehicle used here to convey well the regret of missed opportunity better than Frieren. |
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zfunk
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I think Heiter might be the reason that Fern has this tension relationship with men.
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Harleyquin
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#14
Although this episode has a lot in common with last week in that it's slow-paced and introspective (lots of flashbacks this week, good for me), I liked it more than last week because I laughed more and because the contrast between Frieren and Fern on the same topic is illustrated well by the animators. Sein didn't impress me on his debut, but it is this episode where he starts to show how valuable he to the party outside of battle. If viewers like to see Fern with different facial expressions from her usual poker face, they'll enjoy this episode. She pouts, kicks Sein on the shins until he cries uncle, gives Stark grief any chance she gets and in the same episode makes him feel the weight of his 3-hour deliberation over the birthday gift in a way which must have made Sein laugh uncontrollably on the inside. Sein for his part wasn't exactly discreet in telling Stark what the significance of the mirrored lotus meant, so he too had his own intentions for letting Fern know what Stark had inadvertently chosen. And then we have Frieren, who despite her age really is no better than Fern because she never bothered living with humans and learning their ways and emotions for the vast majority of her lifespan. Emotionally it means Sein, for all his vices and transgressions, is to all intents and purposes the "adult" of the party. He's also quick on the uptake, and subtly gets the party back on track if disputes threaten to disrupt its progress. The flashback with Heiter was a throwback to the earlier episode with Kraft; the inhabitants of this world really seek praise from someone or something after a lifetime of effort without any material reward. Heiter really thinks Frieren deserves praise for her life's work, while Frieren decides that headpats will do to let Heiter have a substitute for the recognition she thinks he does deserve. Sein didn't have quite the same reaction to the headpats (also a throwback to Frieren's habit of imitating what her human forebears and companions have subconsciously influenced her into doing), but he let it slide eventually. The flashback with Himmel is very different. It's not said explicitly, but the way he put on that ring on Frieren's finger suggests he knew full well what ring she had chosen and the symbolism behind it. Frieren didn't realise it then, just the surprise that Himmel would do such an unexpected action. 80+ years after his death, when Sein and Fern explain to her what the pattern symbolises, is that another regret to add to her growing list about the things she could have done with Himmel while he was still alive? She certainly tried finding the ring after it fell out of the carriage, but the motive behind that isn't as clear cut. As a keepsake from her old companion? Or something else? It's been close to a month since the end of the Guillotine arc, and it wouldn't surprise me if another major story arc is due as the group have been making slow and steady progress northwards without too much drama and excitement. |
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Beltane70
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You got your timeframes a little bit mixed up, Harleyquin, it’s been 29 years since Himmel’s death, not 80+. It’s 80+ years since the party defeated the Demon King.
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smurky turkey
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Time goes fast in this show, but thankfully not that fast. The theme does make me wonder what would make for a fitting end to the show though. As for the episode: I am liking Sein more and more and although much younger than Frieren he has kind of become the adult in the group. The theme of gifts and what they mean to someone was nice, the poor horse floating in the air still trying to run made me giggle.
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Harleyquin
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Oops, always proofread before posting. |
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