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gokira2012
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If anyone from Bandai reads this, we Americans want the live action movie to be Gundam Wing, with Mr. Sumisawa, the creator of Gundam Wing to be executive producer
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SrkSano
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I think the movie will be based on Wing, just because there's three adult females Sydney Sweeney could play right away, Unne, Noin and Po. There are some in Universal Century, but way more spread out and wouldn't have as much presence in a first movie. But it could be an entirely original story too. Also it's Hollywood. We just had a female Silver Surfer so... who knows. The writer Brian K. Vaughn is well versed in Universal Century, so it might be a Universal Century story or take heavy cues from it. Ultimately After Colony isn't too different, just no Newtypes and the story is told through more of a Zeon / Spacenoid / Space Colonist lens. Guess we'll see. Sumisawa executive producing, I mean things like that are usually an afterthought and they are kind of ignored. Like Toriyama's involvement in Dragon Ball Evolution. Yeah... Or Watanabe giving notes on Netflix Cowboy Bebop and also being ignored. Even with Oda executive producing the Netflix One Piece series, they went against his wishes which he openly complained about. But since the series is a hit his complaints fell away. I think that was a rare occasion where it was right to ignore his specific complaints, but that's just me. I mean hey sure I'm definitely fine with Sumisawa getting another check and all that but I don't think it will make a big difference. They're going to do whatever they are going to do. |
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gokira2012
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Thank you for the thought out response |
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Deacon Blues
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No, I don't think Americans want that. A simple "live-action" version of Gundam Wing isn't going to solve the problem that Sunrise has been harping about for the last decade in interviews: breaking into the American market. You can't capitalize on something from 25 years ago with the same magic. Honestly, it would be just like the last Power Rangers film: great nostalgia for us that grew up with the original, but dead on arrival for trying to bring in the new crowd. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the film despite what critics said, but there needs to be something unique for this film project. There is a LOT riding on it. It's likely going to make or break future ventures here.
Jim Mickle is writing and directing. Vaughn was dropped a while back. It's been said in the past (though whether that holds true now is debatable) that it won't be adhering to a strict timeline because the film has to introduce people to the franchise as a whole, so pigeonholing it into a specific timeline is really bad here.
I'm not sure where you're buying into all these "creatives" being ignored on these productions. Oda certainly wasn't ignored when it came to One Piece. When he asked for specific reshoots of things, Netflix did just that. I think you have it backward here: his complaints saved them. But by all means, please cite a credible source for Oda being ignored, as I'm curious because everything speaks to the contrary.
Are you just tossing Sumizawa's name out there because he's attached to Wing, or do you actually want him involved? Sounds like you just want the guy to be paid for something. |
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gokira2012
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I mean Sumisawa did come up with the concept for Gundam Wing, write the outline for the entire series, and wrote the scripts for the first 26 episodes, then came back to write the final episode, and all of Endless Waltz, as well as the manga retelling of the series, as well as the sequel novels, as well as the current prequel manga, so Sumisawa for lack of a better word, is the Akira Toriyama of Gundam Wing, or Toyotaro depending on your POV, and he also has a great relationship with Tomino |
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SrkSano
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Deacon Blues - Thank you for the correction regarding Brian K. Vaughn,
Regarding Oda, it would take me a while to find the source but early on Oda did complain about the character who the Going Merry was based on dying and he didn't want changes made from the manga at all. He pretty much wanted a 1 to 1 adaptation as close as humanly possilbe. There's a video with the director of live action One Piece where he says, paraphrasing, that 1 to 1 adaptations are boring to people who already familiar with the source material. I don't disagree that Oda may have saved the production in some ways, but I don't think it was his way or the highway either. Which I don't think will ever happen with any of these Hollywood anime productions. Sumisawa? Sure I want him to get paid. I want everyone to get paid. Money all around. Honestly, do I want him involved though? I don't know. Lately, if you read Frozen Teardrop, Glory of the Losers or watch Yashahime, he has a way of working these days where he dumps stuff on you and then gets around to explaining it later. Or, dropping info bombs on you, explaining it later or not bothering to explain it. I like his work, used to it at this point but I don't know how much of an American audience is ready for it. But, depends on his involvement. |
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Deacon Blues
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I'm actually going to issue a few corrections to you right there: the initial draft for Wing didn't come from him, but he did take that and flesh it out. That aside, his early work on Gundam Wing is often grossly overstated. Ikeda (before exiting) actually handled a lot of the framework. While this only came out in the Frozen Teardrop afterword, he actually had to take a considerable step back due to his wife's MS flaring up and whatnot during the production, so he wasn't as "hands-on" as people think. This was also why he was "dropping out" of the project, contrary to the weird rumors that people may think (but even then he was still scripting). He didn't write ALL of the scripts for the first 26 episodes, I don't know where you got that notion from, though. But no, he's far from being a "Toriyama" for Gundam Wing, sorry. You're completely dismissing all of the other staff who fashioned the worldview outside of him. He's not the "God of Gundam Wing." Also, you're kinda overstating his relationship with Tomino. But, if you're going to go all in on Sumizawa, then you need to get another fact straight: Frozen Teardrop isn't a "sequel" novel. He's even stated this himself numerous times.
I think that's when they brought him on to have a more active hand in the production. Still, I don't think there was anyone constantly dismissing the guy outright. The live action version wouldn't be what it is without his constant input.
I've been actively translating Frozen Teardrop (a volume a month) since last year, so I get why people think there's just "info dumps" with zero explanation, but that's really not the case with the novels. Everything gets explained, everything gets tied up, and it all has a thematic purpose (but not to disparage, I feel like media literacy isn't a thing nowadays, but it would've worked a bit more when this was actively being serialized). I think people also forget that he also scripted Gundam the Origin. |
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gokira2012
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ANN: You're credited with writing six episodes of the show Brain Powerd, which was directed by Yoshiyuki Tomino, and I was wondering if you worked with him directly and what was that like? You know very well. ANN: <laughs> I must say, Mr. Tomino was actually very fond of me. When I wrote something—well, he told me “I need these episodes done for Brain Powerd.” And I went “ok, ok, I'll write it.” And when I wrote something, he told me, “this is the best thing I've seen, and I'm going to do a storyboard with this right away, your work is so awesome. Thanks to you, we have a good story.” After that, at 5 in the morning, Tomino-san calls and I was sleeping, my wife took the call. He was saying “your husband has done a wonderful job writing these stories for me, these are our best storyboards in a while.” And she was going, “oh, that's wonderful, I'll wake up my husband.” But he was saying, “no, I want you to hear this.” After that, my wife tells me about what Tomino-san was saying, and I was going, “well, good, if it was wonderful, I wonder what the final product looks like.” And I see the final product, and then I got, “wait, this isn't what I wrote.” In fact, I don't feel like he's even used a line out of what I wrote. It was that different. animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2017-08-29/gundam-wing-screenwriter-katsuyuki-sumisawa/.120652 |
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Deacon Blues
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Nothing in what you quoted really exemplifies a "great" relationship, sorry. Sounds like a typical interaction with Tomino, no matter what the project. I mean, other creatives have stated almost the same thing Sumizawa has (right down to the "nothing I wrote ended up in the final product). |
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gokira2012
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fair enough, but every piece of Gundam Wing material has his name on it, and I would 100% say Sumisawa is the God of Gundam Wing or the Toriyama of Gundam Wing because he wrote the Gundam Wing: Glory of Losers Manga, which is more canon than the series Last edited by gokira2012 on Tue Aug 12, 2025 4:32 am; edited 1 time in total |
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MFrontier
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Dang, I would kill to see this even as someone who doesn't speak Japanese. Just getting the original seiyuu back together...
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EmeraldSaucer
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Hope they are reading a Sumisawa script, it'd be fun to get the reaction afterwards from a number of voice actors who have talked about not knowing what the hell he was making them say or who their characters were supposed to be in Wing
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Deacon Blues
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Again, please stop making things up to justify a feeble attempt at arguing. No, not every single piece of Gundam Wing material has his name on it. For example, none of the Tokita comics are attached to him, nor are the Blind Target manga (or radio drama), Ground Zero manga, or the Wing novelization or Duo sidestory novel. The list goes on and on. So again, you're dismissing everyone else who helped shape the world of Gundam Wing by having one man shoulder it all. I'm sorry, but you need to accept that he's not the omnipotent creator for that entry into the franchise.
What banana logic do you subscribe to? Please, show me (and everyone else here) some concrete proof where it's stated that the Glory of Losers manga is somehow "more canon" than the television series. |
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gokira2012
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because it's Sumisawa's original vision for Gundam Wing Katsuyuki Sumisawa did create the story for Mobile Suit Gundam Wing as the series' primary writer and series composition lead. He is credited with scripting the anime, developing its narrative, characters, and plot arcs during a one-week conceptualization phase with the team, and handling the challenges of weaving together its themes of war, peace, and the five Gundam pilots. The way anime and tv shows work is while a movie is the vision of the director, TV is the vision of the writer, sure he had writers under him, just like TV shows have a writer's room, but they helped bring Mr. Sumisawa's vision to life. This is also why he says Gundam Wing is most rep. of his work, because usually he had just adapted someone else's vision. He had to create new characters and a new scenario, while keeping with Mr. Tomino's general concept of mobile suits, space colonys and war with earth. It would be like if Toyotaro created a new Dragonball manga with new characters, and just kept the concept of dragonballs, martial arts ki. Toyotaro would be the creator of that spinoff |
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Deacon Blues
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I asked for concrete proof, not your headcanon here. So again, kindly point out where it states this is his "original vision." Where does it explicitly state that this is Gundam Wing as he intended it to be. By your logic, entries like the Origin would be an "original vision" for First Gundam, or 0083 Rebellion would be an "original vision" for Stardust Memories... but, oh wait, they're not, though.
No one is denying his contributions, but you're acting like ONE GUY is responsible for every teeny, tinsy little minuscule thing that is Gundam Wing, which just isn't true. He's even said so himself! That's not how anime production in general works, and it sure as heck isn't for Gundam. I suggest digging a bit deeper into production material instead of spitting out something that sounds like a cut-and-paste ChatGPT response.
You're still admonishing the contributions of everyone else on the project. Sumizawa isn't the be-all end-all for Gundam Wing. There are a lot of small facets of the show that were NOT his ideas and are what Wing is known for. Wing's self-destruct scene? Yeah, totally not his idea at all. Costumes? Nope, again, not his. Again, I'm not belittling what he did. He is an integral part of the staff, but he's one piece in the machine. It's his baby as much as it is anyone else on the staff.
Tomino has nothing to do with this, nor do any "concepts" you think exist. According to the very same man you're trying to elevate to God (Gundam?) status says the original concept for Wing was basically going to be a thematic retelling from First Gundam to CCA dressed as something entirely new (which is sort of half-assed accomplished). They still had free rein over what else to do, so this notion that they had to stick to hard parameters is just utter bunk given that G Gundam before it completely turned Gundam on its head. There was no hard and fast rule that it had to be a war with Earth. Even before G Gundam was a thing, the aborted Polcarino Gundam project was going to be set on Mars. |
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