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EmeraldSaucer
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2025 8:20 pm |
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Some of the response has been absolutely pathetic, like people trying to cite Nagai's past history working on hentai as a reason why OPM is doomed (not even going into the outright harassment). Shonen hypebeasts learning the names of animators isn't worth it if all it's going to result in is either harassment when the names are not sufficiently "noteworthy" enough, or treating these people like sports statistics to throw in the face of opps when the names do have notoriety
It speaks to a complete lack of interest in the medium, where instead of broadening your horizons by looking up the past work of a director (like checking out Nagai's episodes of Minakama or Niehime) people cast judgement because someone doesn't have the experience in the narrow box of things they care about
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Iritscen
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2025 9:10 pm |
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The way people treat season 2 as awful really bothers me. Sure, the animation wasn't up to season 1 standards, but season 1 was lightning in a bottle -- right place, right time. S2 still looked good even though it didn't have the astounding animation of S1. S2's ending was underwhelming, but that seems like more of a problem inherent in the original story than the show. I'm still looking forward to S3 even if it looks "only" as good as S2.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2025 9:27 pm |
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It's crazy how a show made in 2025 could look completely worse than the same thing made in 2015, literally a whole decade ago.
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malvarez1
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2025 10:24 pm |
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I genuinely feel bad for the director. It’s a completely terrible situation to be in. I can’t help but feel like he’s a scapegoat.
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Abbot
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 1:05 am |
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I don’t really understand why people keep saying J.C. Staff should hand One Punch Man back to Madhouse when Madhouse actually dropped the series in the first place due to overworking their animators, staff and freelancers which led to a mass exodus of employee and animators. It’s not like Madhouse is in a position to take on the show again after that. It’s similar to what happened with Wit Studio on Vinland Saga and Attack on Titan when the staff didn’t want to continue working on those projects because of the poor working conditions, so the projects ended up being passed to MAPPA. I also don’t blame the animators or staff from One Punch Man Season 2 for not returning. After the intense online bullying they received, it's no surprise they didn’t want to come back. It’s not like Season 2 was objectively worse, people just set impossibly high expectations and compared it to Season 1’s crazy level of detail. And calling Shinpei Nagai a 'hentai Director' is incredibly disrespectful to all the work he’s done. It’s not only rude, but it also undermines his significant contributions to the industry. As for why J.C. Staff’s animators are focusing on other projects like Railgun s4 or potentially Eden Zero Season 3 (or even Overgeared, if that manhwa adaptation is actually happening) it’s because they’ve got other priorities that other fanbase also waiting for them to animate those anime or probably they have higher budget and different production committee that funded the anime that they currently working on their studio. There’s also speculation that J.C. Staff might be putting their top animators into Overgeared anime adaptation and if that's the case, it could turn out to be one of their best animated shows yet. But it just goes to show that animators and studios have to make tough decisions based on available resources and staff wellbeing and not just fan expectations. Just give up on saying Madhouse will take One Punch Man back because that will not happen. also the animators who worked on Season 1 of One Punch Man have already moved to other studios especially Studio Nut after the mass exodus of staff and animators from studio Madhouse. It’s also funny when other anime have worse animation than One Punch Man Season 2 but it’s totally okay for them. It seems like Shingo Natsume wants to stay far away from a One Punch Man sequel. After experiencing the harsh working conditions at Madhouse, I don’t blame him for wanting to do his own project.
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pip25
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 2:51 am |
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| Iritscen wrote: | | The way people treat season 2 as awful really bothers me. Sure, the animation wasn't up to season 1 standards, but season 1 was lightning in a bottle -- right place, right time. S2 still looked good even though it didn't have the astounding animation of S1. S2's ending was underwhelming, but that seems like more of a problem inherent in the original story than the show. I'm still looking forward to S3 even if it looks "only" as good as S2. |
So then, you agree that S2 looked worse than S1 and had a worse overall plot? I think those two things are more than sufficient to leave fans disappointed.
To understand why fans have such high expectations of the OPM anime, you have to look at the source material first. ONE's original webcomic already has a deep, thought-provoking story, but that story is elevated to whole new heights in the manga by Murata, who produces some of the highest quality visuals in the industry .S1 is celebrated not only because it's a really well-made anime on its own, but also because it feels like something that fits the source material in terms of spectacle.
Look at Star Wars, another franchise that focuses highly on visuals. A merely okay-ish looking SW anime would be a disaster.
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WANNFH
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 3:33 am |
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| Abbot wrote: | | I don’t really understand why people keep saying J.C. Staff should hand One Punch Man back to Madhouse when Madhouse actually dropped the series in the first place due to overworking their animators, staff and freelancers which led to a mass exodus of employee and animators. It’s not like Madhouse is in a position to take on the show again after that. | Ten years ago, when OPM1 was in production, Madhouse by itself was barely scraped the barrel and was one foot near the closure by itself while bleeding the workforce, while only the deal with NTV decided to completely buying them off saved them from non-existence. Madhouse in 2025 resurfaced as one of the best studios around and now have critically acclaimed fan-favorites TV series like Frieren and Orb, so it's not like they couldn't do stuff if possible and bring the A-team with the good production values and good direction under the right circumstances. Also for the known fact - it was possible for even S2 to be handled by Madhouse and Shingo Natsume, but production committee screwed the shit all over by giving him the impossible time constraints which turned him off the project - which now led the consequences it all deal with.
Also - let's not try to pretend that J.C. Staff is even close to being good in terms of conditions place for the animators either, they barely even care about the quality over quantity for years with them constantly pumping (for example - on the same season with OPM S3 they have two different series with Backstabbed in Dungeon and Daughter of Hero and Queen of Spirits) and fumbling it all over.
And while calling Nagai a "hentai director" is really disrespectful, the real problem came with the fact that he cannot really back up his stance either, while his former works comes as bullets against him - because the production of OPM S3 is a MESS after six years and the half after notoriously not received well S2, with them just showing PV with completely lackluster bare-bones animation and stills all around the place - for the series that is going to come up on TV literally next month, so there is literally zero time to fix the issues.
It maybe wouldn't be a problem for a lot of series, because sometimes you can become a hit even with constrained budget and animation - but because OPM is literally known as a prime "style over the substance" material example while Murata art being a constant flex on whatever shit he can pull off with the quality and the framing, there is a certain amount of borderline expectations from the series that is known mostly for it's art (and we know how good art and animation glitter can pull over even the most mediocre stuff, while completely elevating the good one) - and when the anime shows off the current production that is not even slightly below that bar, but literally near the low bottom, the fandom will literally try to attack everyone who's in sight to "make them responsible" for the screwing up.
Can't blame Nagai for that either, man most likely given all that was possible for him in that situation - but it was simply not enough given the circumstances he's dealing with, and now he will literally become the scapegoat and a martyr instead of the people who actually screwed it all over since the very beginning - and that was OPM anime production committee, where fans are most likely right about to being pissed off - because by all red flags around situation with the series will be not good at all - but they're also going to piss at the wrong trees, harassing director and the staff instead of putting the blame on the suits who're responsible for this situation first.
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Iritscen
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 9:24 am |
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| pip25 wrote: | | So then, you agree that S2 looked worse than S1 and had a worse overall plot? I think those two things are more than sufficient to leave fans disappointed. |
I didn't find the story to be worse. I thought the angle of Garou being on a "monster's journey" was intriguing. Only the finale was disappointing because it couldn't hold up to the fight with Boros in S1.
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MFrontier
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 10:12 am |
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I feel bad for him. He's in such an unenviable position and is stuck in a situation he probably has little control over because of the production committee.
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OrangeVision
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 10:20 am |
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| <('_')^ wrote: | | It's crazy how a show made in 2025 could look completely worse than the same thing made in 2015, literally a whole decade ago. |
Anime doesn't really improve by technology. The quality is the people working on the show. Season 1 had an all-star production team, practically impossible to match without the same pedigree.
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Zhou-BR
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 10:41 am |
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Personally, I'd resigned myself to season three having the same quality as season two, but everything that's been revealed about it so far makes me wary it will be even worse. I hope Nagai's statement about bridging 3D and 2D overflows doesn't mean characters will be frequently rendered in CGI during action scenes just like in Tougen Anki.
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malvarez1
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2025 8:02 am |
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OPM season 1 looking so good ended up being kind of a curse, because almost nothing will ever be able to match that. If the first season had just looked “fine”, it would probably not be getting so much hate now.
Some people try to deny it, but at the end of the day, animation really might be the most important factor for an action anime.
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