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Chipp12
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This season is mostly delivered through colored manga panels though... |
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WizardOfOss
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Oh wow, I was totally unaware this is from the same director as I Can't Understand What My Husband Is Saying. That was such a cute little short back then! But looking at other stuff he directed......that's not such a great resume. Seems like he worked on plenty of pretty decent stuff over the years in any shape or form, just not as the series director. Wrong man at the wrong place?
Still, likely not entirely his fault, he himself can only do so much. And all the toxic hatred online.....social media was a mistake..... |
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DirtyCircle
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I honestly haven't understood the backlash against the series. Maybe I have forgotten how this all was in the manga, but none of it has struck me as particularly awful so far nor a diversion from what I remember.
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Iritscen
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The animation is the single biggest falloff I've ever seen, and it's sad to see. Each episode is painful to watch due to its heavily outsourced low-quality animation with tons of shortcuts and over-reliance on CGI effects. But of course the staff is at the mercy of the budget that they were given, and I do feel bad for them.
While it was never fair to expect the show to maintain a Season 1-level budget (that season was lightning in a bottle), I don't understand the huge drop from Season 2 to 3. Why did Shueisha and Bandai wait so long on a new season, only to hobble it with a terrible budget? That makes zero sense to me strategically. "Let's take a show that was mostly famous for its insane animation and subtract most of the animation budget. And we'll put it out 10 years after the show debuted. Surely the fans will respond well to this!" |
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YourNameIsMitsuha
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One Punch Man is my favorite manga full stop. It is easily in my top 10 anime of all time, maybe top 5. I have been waiting completely mind-boggled that something this popular would take this long to get a release since this world runs on money. How could something like this not be a major cash cow for whatever animation studio produces it, and why wouldn't they want to do that as soon as possible? Those are the questions I've been asking myself for the past 5 years.
When I saw One Punch man on the ANN Trailer Watch Party (I was late watching it, 6 episodes into the current season), I stopped everything I was doing, subscribed to Hulu, and sat down to marathon the existing half season. Halfway through episode 1 I assumed it was a joke. Halfway through episode 2 I literally wanted to cry. This animation quality isn't simply subpar or even outright bad. It literally looks like it was produced for Ebaum'sWorld in the early 2000s by one guy. I even googled to see if OPM 3 was an experiment with AI. I have never seen any anime this poorly animated. What is a character model? They don't know. 100% lip flaps and bobbing outlines. I'd rather watch Ninja Slayer from Animation because it's visually easier for me to watch. This isn't just bad, this is negligent. Look at any "mid" anime from last season and at least something is being smoothly animated somewhere, or there's some compensation in art style. This is a major Shonen Jump series being treated like it's season 1 of South Park or worse. I 100% get your point that animation is hard, but for this series to get the absolute worst treatment I've ever seen in a professional anime is heartbreaking. I don't blame the director (although these coloring choices...), this is failing across the board in every single major area. Even timing with voice acting is really rough here. I noticed a stylistic difference with season 2 vs season 1 of course, but I never felt that it was bad. Quite the opposite, I enjoyed it immensely. But that is apples and oranges compared to what is going on with season 3. spoiler[Tatsumaki will be fighting on even unconscious against an overwhelming opponent to save everyone] and it crushes my soul that that scene will be animated with bobbing stills and no love at all. I like your optimism that it will get a reboot, but I think you're wrong, not for at least another 15 years. The first season is too good and the second season is fine. No animation studio is going to just redo season 3. We will have to wait for a new era of anime before someone reboots this. I'd never go on the "X" of any creator to dump on their work, but I'll bash it to death in comments if it earns it. The best anime arc I've ever enjoyed is going to look like junk after waiting half a decade for it, and with no hope of it being recovered this decade, probably not in the next. Don't you think it's okay for me to be a little angry? PS- I can't even imagine anyone will want to take OPM to a season 4 after this season. Who's going to follow that? You think this team will? Nah. Would production company pick it up after this? No. As was pointed out, there's too much anime being produced. If this wasn't prioritized in the last 5 years, who's doing to put it at the top of their list now? We will literally have to wait for that 15 year from now reboot. |
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Eilavel
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Outside the animation, this is also just in many ways a fairly standard battle manga arc. It does have fun twists and some good jokes, but its not as standout when you don't have visual action flair (the redrawn manga, meanwhile, has superb artwork).
Mumen Riders epic moments probably would have still worked with this animation. The kind of duels we are getting here don't so well. I don't hate it but I understand the disappointment, as your taking a top tier manga and producing something thats overall middling. Also, Boogiepop and Others is a fun show more people should watch. |
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Dr. Wily
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Search your feelings, you know the answer already. (It's that the production committee and other money-men decided "hey, if we don't pay as much for the animators, we can just keep the money ourselves!")
I say this without the knowledge of stuff like keeping up with Jump numbers (and without having read the manga) so maybe I'm dead wrong, but while OPM is an amazing series, my personal feeling is that it's not as popular as the "big" hits and so that's always gonna affect how fast any studio's gonna rush to get more made. And I think that boils down to the fact that at the very heart of the series, it is a comedy. Yes, it's a comedy with beautiful fights and great stories being told.... but those are all with what are, at the end of the day, side characters. And yes, other shonen do have goofy characters (One Piece's cast is probably 70% goofballs by volume), but their main protagonists aren't based around a joke. Even as much as fans even vaguely familiar with the genre already know that Luffy/Goku/Deku/etc are going to eventually win their fights, it's never in the literal sense of "they in-text cannot lose." And comedies, even ones with amazing elements like fights, always get put on the back burner by studios compared to straight up action (this practice is true in Hollywood too!)
I wouldn't bank on OPM just not getting a season 4. Even though I just said/theorized it wasn't popular enough to be a priority, it's not some no-name series. It will almost certainly keep going. Now as for eventually rebooting and doing season 3 again, you're right, and unless ONE becomes the next Oda in terms of "this comic is going on forever", any reboot will wait until the webcomic/manga has concluded. |
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harminia
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One Punch Man is only published in Shonen Jump in America, in Japan it's published online in Tonari no Young Jump. __ I wonder if OPM really is such a classic it'd get a remake. I really don't know if the series would be that popular (particularly overseas) if it wasn't for the first season of the anime having such good animation. If S1 had just had average animation, would it have blown up so much... |
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Philmister978
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Problem is, I've been noticing that J.C. Staff's workload as a whole has been declining in quality, even in the non-action heavy titles. And it's particularly painful given they're working on three titles this season, and visually they all have the same issues. OPM is the only one of them whose story isn't woefully awful, but it is getting highly generic. And while I'm not one to see outsourcing as a boogeyman in the industry. That an action-heavy series is being farmed to multiple studios an episode, most of them being comprised of less experienced talent that might not have any experience in anime, really hurts the series in the long run.
Season 1 really was a "Lightning-in-a-bottle" moment animation-wise, and even that had a few episodes handed off to DR Movie in Korea to save some effort for the ones that needed it. In other words, when Madhouse farmed episodes out, they did it for a specific reason. Nowadays, companies are just outsourcing because they can't get them done in time, and that seems to be a bigger issue with some more than others. JC being one of those companies. As for why. It's money. That's why Disney keeps pumping out Marvel, Star Wars and Simpsons media with little to no regard of objective quality. Or why Toei keeps profiting off of their long-term properties. The production committees care nothing but money for their own pockets, and could give less of a crap about what the fans or anime staff could say so long as they keep getting money from both halves of the coin. Hence why we got this. |
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smurky turkey
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I am still amazed that many of the bargain bin isekai that I have enjoyed this year had in fact better animation than the next season of One Punch Man. I say that not to diss those isekai but big budgets they did not have at all and you would think One Punch would be assured of better resources than the millionth person getting run over by truck-kun.
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Temuthril
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Amusing to see fans of the manga complain about adaptation decay, when we already had one round of it in the webcomic to manga rewrite. The schadenfreude is almost palpable.
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kgw
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I disagree about that. If we are having Tokyo Wet Nurse Revenge Isekai Idol Stage Act Season Three - The anime is because at least three thousand copies of the light novel were bought in, let's say, Hakone, Niigata and Fukuoka. The producers might have said, 'If we manage to sell 3,000 DVD copies, we'll be rich!', and someone might have added, 'We could earn a few thousand dollars from overseas licences.' Followed by 'Oh, that's fine too. Anyway, 3,000 DVD copies! Let's open a bid for the animation so we can choose the lowest-bid studio". I watched a video in which the director of Frieren* blamed Western fans for 'ruining anime with their awful taste'. Whether or not that is true, we should always remember that anime is made for Japan first and then for the rest of the world. If the producers feel like it. Western anime fans don't have much influence over which anime gets made. Returning to the Pittsburgh guy, if Answerman wants to blame anyone for sloppy anime, he should start with those three thousand people in Japan. * no sources, just CAPS |
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pip25
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I did not take part in the flamewars around season 3 so far, but with all due respect, this is a nothingburger response that tries to push the blame towards viewers without giving us much in the way of nuance regarding the anime's odd scheduling and staffing decisions.
We are still getting anime with incredible production values, every single season. If something can be held against anime viewership, it is that they are too tolerant of bad quality, which allows studios to get away with understaffed and rushed productions in addition to these well-made shows. (Then again, the outrage around OPM season 3 seems to point towards the opposite.) And what's up with the "limited talent" argument? Surely the number of animators is no fixed number enforced by law? If anime production has doubled in the past decade, but anime producers have not, that is hardly the fault of the viewers. The optics of this entire mess would be way different if OPM would have been one of those shows that are given a new season every year or so. It would be completely believable that they can't keep the same talent employed all the time and that quality would fluctuate to a degree. (To this degree though? Eh...) But that is not what had happened. There were huge pauses, multiple years between each season. This makes arguments about "scheduling decisions" ring a lot more hollow. We are not at all given the impression that those in the production committee have done their utmost to maintain the talent and quality of the OPM anime. The impression we are getting, is in fact the exact opposite. Which leads us to the staff of the current season. I do not condone bullying. But it is also true that the people working on OPM season 3 have certainly set themselves up for the scathing criticism they are receiving. The bad signs around the show have already been there and have been common knowledge for perhaps a year before the first episode aired. If those outside the industry could notice that things are not looking good, those on the inside were most certainly aware of these problems much sooner and in much greater detail. Nothing was done. Nothing could be done? Maaaybe. Does the director and the staff do their best with the resources they are given? Perhaps. But, I'm sorry, it's simply not enough, not even close, and they of all people should know this the best. They should not have agreed to be part of something that they obviously couldn't deliver with acceptable quality. |
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kgw
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In an ideal world, maybe. In this on, where people have to pay their rent/mortgage and food, sometimes you have accept what work there is. |
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pip25
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That's kinda odd though. You have to accept whatever work comes your way, yet also there's a talent shortage in the industry? The two can't be true at the same time. |
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