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justsomeaccount
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I'll be honest, it's going to be hard for me to continue the series knowing this just out of mistrust for the studio, since I'm used to these apologies after being identified by other people being only tests to see if it flies and if it doesn't they do PR control. So I'll stop watching their series for quite a bunch of months and be aware they're not sneaking in more before I'll trust their declarations. Extremely disappointing.
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Beatdigga
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AI is ultimately poisonous to your reputation in the creative arts. No one likes it, and no one accepts it. Even discussions around Invincible and it's frankly awful animation end when someone tries to suggest AI, with everyone just going "No."
Seeing a studio use it will always be disappointing. |
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Viren21
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The scmp explains or deep dive video about AI and japanese animation made it clear one thing that its unacceptable to use AI in any step on the process since people prefer the traditional way. Since using AI is already a taboo there. Just asking it for help like drawing a shape like a circle is frowned by all. I just want to know why the studio did it knowing that most people wont like it at all.
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Pado
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Should be former/ex-Nogizaka46, though I'm sure a lot of fans miss her presence in the group xD... |
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Aerdra
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"Sorry we got caught this time."
People will keep trying if they get away with it often enough. |
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Somer-_-
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It's kind of naive to think other studios are not experimenting behind the scenes with AI.
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Glordit
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Yup it's going to start happening a lot more now, all they'll do now is say "oh yeah there's some AI art in this". |
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Greed1914
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I saw some people giving at least some benefit of the doubt that it was from Nam Hai and WIT didn't catch it, but apparently it was WIT itself.
This seems like what we have seen with several video games now where players notice it, the people making it say it was a placeholder they missed, and then just say "oops" and replace it after it was noticed.
That is my take. If people watching at home spotted it, then it's pretty hard to believe that trained professionals looking directly at each frame wouldn't notice. If it is true that the problem is that they missed it during inspection, then maybe the solution is to not use it. Or, maybe whichever people at the studio are using it need to flag it so the managers know to double check whether it is still there. AI keeps getting touted as a way to reduce workloads and cut down on tedious things, so you'd think that it would be pretty good at helping keep track of where it was used in a project. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll even any upfront disclosure like with games on Steam. Steam can require that as the de facto place to sell PC games. Plenty of companies would rather not disclose that at all because they know it can adversely affect sales. Here, there isn't anyone to set a standard, and odds are they are counting on the technology to eventually be good enough that people won't notice. |
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scowler
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Studios routinely use AI for in-betweens these days, and nobody seems to mind that fact.
But now the art itself is problematic? We don’t even know what dataset was used to train the underlying model, which means none of us has any idea whether there is a legit copyright concern or not. |
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AiddonValentine
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This studio is supposed to be remaking One Piece. Have fun with that
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justsomeaccount
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If you mean AI like this news: animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-06-16/a.i-program-creates-practically-perfect-in-between-animation/.117588 (which is all I could find searching), this isn't generative AI which is our main problem for a whole lot of reasons, plagiarism is only one (and no, there's no current ethical all-copyright-approved gen AI model, because to make results that make the least sense they need tens of millions of data for the neural structure), for me the most despicable one is the energy cost that is accelerating pollution (in an age where we're already in an irreversible climate catastrophe, let's not accelerate it) and killing people from marginalized communities where the super computers are built. Predictive lighthearted approaches based in simple parameters can have some issues worth discussing but it's not the same as the one we're dealing with. If they are using actual generative AI with those models for inbetweens and you have verified sources about it please share them since I couldn't find any, so I can criticize them and avoid them too, please. |
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Panino Manino
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What I found interesting is that there are no culprits. It's WIT and isn't the company they hired. The slop appeared there by itself, it seems. But more important, I had low expectations for this new season with WIT and this first episode was concerning. That OP is "all wrong", it doesn't match at all this Part 3. And why is Myne all happy and Ferdinand smiling? FERDINAND! SMILING?!! Why there's a huge enough lake that it even looks like a sea, in Ehrenfest? And ruins? Ruins don't exist in Yurgenchmidt! If this was limited to the OP, but unfortunately by the rest of the episode it seems WIT is not paying enough attention to obvious details. I strongly fear this new season will disappoint. |
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L'Imperatore
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Most people just want to watch the show. That's how they will get away with it.
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Mune
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Unfortunately, it is becoming harder to tell the difference when a company uses generative AI in their works. I think the bigger questions here is how much of the generative portion was scraped from outside WIT and did WIT get permission to use the scraped content that it was based off of in this way?
If it was all in-house, and they had permission to use the scraped material in use of generative AI, would that be any more acceptable? |
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AJ (LordNikon)
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So I’m going to take the opposite stance on this. I’ve been posting this group for 20+ years on this account alone and maybe even longer my original account. I’m nearly 80 years old. I’ve been retired for nearly 20 years. I am Japanese and I’ve gotten a lot of crap from people on here because I do not use articles correctly. I often don’t use us. It does. My vision is bad and I use a lot of translations. I find this generative and even the genetic AI to be extremely useful. Right now if you’re reading this, you’re probably seeing a good amount of proper grammatical English because the AI is doing this translation from you from Japanese correct correctly.
AI is just a tool. People are using a lot of backlash about AI right now the very same way that 20 years ago people had backlash against social media, 30 years ago same backlash, digital photography versus film; the advent of consumer Internet. I remember 40-50 years ago people screaming. It’s the end of the world that personal computers will destroy everything and human society is doomed. AI is just the latest technology. Who knows what’s next virtual reality augmented reality? Who knows but as long as humans create tools to make their lives easier people will scream about. They don’t like changes to the status quo. Everything evolves the same goes forth for anime Studios, you will see more AI being used in the creation of anime, and considering the fact that people scream murder about how poor animators are paid how overworked animators are paid how hard it is for animators you’re going to see more and more and more and more of this AI used. Reality is anime is a commodity. There is a substantial demand for it and the margins to produce and put this anime out very very small. My brother spent decades working for sunrise in upper management and has told me how little amount of money they actually get you into anime for your love of the art you’re not doing it to become a rich or wealthy, but you have to control cost and this is how companies and studios are gonna have to do this or it’s gonna degrade into offshore more production, lowering the salaries and adding more hours I hope this reads well and I hope the AI did a decent job of translation for once |
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