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smurky turkey
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Ah yes, Detective Conan, I will be honest, I watch the canon episodes and the two part fillers, but the single episode fillers I skip. Those used to be decent to good in the past, but for a long time now they have become pretty bad. In general I am one of those people that believe that Conan has declined over the years, I will save you from my long rant though.
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Spastic Minnow
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They have done some interesting things in the AO's recently*- they're not all bad. But when they are bad, they really suck the fun out of the show and make you wonder what the point is.
The one the week before twisted their worn-out "killed for plagiarism" trope- in which the plagiarizer was unknowingly serializing a story of a recently deceased amateur (amazingly- not murdered) about real events that... well, that part was another of the show's trope ("caused my parents suffering/death)- but being mixed together made them a little better.. *Occasionally super-weird episodes with the kids. It's been a couple years, but the one with the town where people dressed like insects stands out. ...although the recent dream one about the cafe was no good- weird, but out-of-character and irritating. *A couple recurring gimmicks in which the other kids help Conan. **Ayumi's Picture diaries. Done well, Conan finds clues in the pictures Ayumi drew of a crime scene. **Mitsuhiko's casebook. Like the diary, in an effort to be a better detective, Mitsuhiko writes details of the case as they go along. **They haven't found a good use for Genta really. The closest is like what happened in 1104- Where Genta ignorantly reveals that he's familiar with key information- but only after the cops leave (like knowing about a hidden shortcut that turns out to be the one the culprit used). *The ones where the kids stumble on the detectives on a stake-out and "help" are a little hit-or-miss. It tends to lean on Conan and Takagi allowing the kids to put themselves in danger. *A sure to return gimmick was a good one where Sato leads an impromptu investigation with most of the girl cast when they all realize they've all seen suspicious behavior at a mall. The only problem with that was that I was able to figure out the key to the mystery half-way through. |
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WatcherZer
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Detective Conan episode 1155
While they were doing something different directorially with the slapstick action sequences there were several moments during the episode where the animation didn't feel up to the usual Conan quality. In particular for about 12 seconds after the woman is held up at gunpoint during which Conan jumps out of the taxi its a slideshow of still frames of Conan bounding through the air and then when Conan is talking rather than having his lips flap they shake his entire character model up and down like a puppet while his mouth doesn't move, then it suddenly returns to fluid body and mouth animation again. |
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Fluwm
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So I’m going through Conan now, slowly and steadily, and am a little confused by the fact that there are several discrepancies with regard to which episodes are assigned to which season, depending on which source you look at.
So: 1. Which one of these lists is the most accurate? And 2. How are season breaks even determined for a show that’s in continuous production in the first place? Is each year treated as a separate season? Or are the changing op/eds the seasonal break marks? |
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WatcherZer
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There aren't really defined seasons, its an always ongoing production. Some may just break it up by broadcast year (and it traditionally has an end of the year special around New Years where the cast thank the viewers for the past year in-character), and previous dubbing companies have invented their own seasons, but its essentially broadcasting sporadically throughout the whole year with breaks for sports and repeats rather than tied to a regular broadcast season schedule. The changing intro/outro isn't tied to broadcast year it will just randomly change periodically (usually tied to a big manga arc adaptation) and there is often also in recent years a temporary intro with scenes from the cinema release as well as a tie in prequal episode a week or two before the films Japanese release date to promote it, even if that means its broadcast during an ongoing arc breaking chronology. The best list for episode order would be the wiki site below, the order generally used by the community is that used by Crunchyroll (and before that fan subbers), particularly notable old episodes are also regularly remastered or even wholly remade but they keep the original episode number. Japanese episode numbering differs in that when a two part episode is originally broadcast as one show its only assigned one number (even if when repeated its repeated as two half hour episodes) whereas by Crunchy its always assigned two numbers. https://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Anime |
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Gina Szanboti
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Episode 1182 "Arrest That Face" (premise spoilers ahead if you want to watch first, major spoilers covered, though everything is so obvious it's hard to spoil it more than the episode does)
Omg, that was the most frustrating (and predictable) episode of this I think I've ever seen. Every five minutes I wanted to throw something at the screen for how idiotic everyone was acting. So it starts with Ayumi seeing a guy whose face is on a wanted for murder poster 3 feet away at a corner police box. What does she do? Go inside and report it? No, of course not! She follows him. Then the rest of the crew join her. Does Conan suggest calling the police to come to the guy's apt.? No, of course not! They stake the place out, because...? Dunno. Then a random stranger comes along and Genta blurts out what they're doing (hoping for the big reward when they, what, tackle him themselves and citizen's arrest him? Dunno.). So he joins in tailing him. Why are they tailing him? Why don't they call the police or arrest/tackle/whatever they're planning? Why does it matter where he's going, if they'd just call the police to arrest him? Dunno. Now obviously spoiler[this guy is not a random stranger at all. Three guesses who he is. He "accidentally" alerts the guy by "accidentally" knocking over a garbage can, then chases him down a street, after finally telling the kids to call the police. But alas, he corners him by the river where the suspect falls into the raging torrent to be swept away. Conan saves him, the cops finally come and tell them the guy just looks like the suspect and they get calls about him all the time.] Basically, this could all have been avoided if Ayumi had just told the police the minute she spotted him. But! spoiler[Random stranger has mysteriously vanished. So the kids describe him to a sketch artist, who I guess just helpfully gave them several copies of the sketch so they could look for him on their own] (always hilarious how helpful strangers around town are when these kids go looking for people or personal information). So spoiler[due to Genta's gourmet discernment of takoyaki sauces, he, Mitsuhiko and Ayumi discover where rando lives. Do they call the police? No, of course not! They go break into his apt., discover he's a patient at a plastic surgery clinic, get caught when he comes home (of course the money from the five-year-old robbery and murder is still in the closet where they were hiding). Conan has remotely figured things out and tracks their DB badges and finally tells the police, who arrive in the nick and arrest him, with the kids grabbing his legs like Takagi needed their help subduing him.] Arrghhh. Despite being lectured twice this episode alone, the tag has the trio hiding behind a bench on the lookout for other wanted criminals, having learned nothing. Of course, there's nothing for them to learn really, since they've been involved in countless murders and been kidnapped countless times and the only real lesson in all of this is that no matter what they do, someone will save them and nothing bad will ever happen to them worse than a lecture. The End. Ok, I get this is a power fantasy for children, and children do often act irrationally. But it felt like the writers weren't even trying to make anything happen organically, and just leaned on the kids-will-be-kids foolishness to string the because-plot requirements together. Aside from any kids-be-powerful messages, what episodes like this teach is that the police are useless, only to be consulted once things are neatly tied up with a bow, so don't bother involving them if you're in danger. Also, nothing is dangerous, so do your thing. Do better, Detective Conan. |
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Gina Szanboti
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1184-5 "The Red Brick Warehouse and the Vanishing Kiddnapper"
Much, much better installment than 1182! Everything came together pretty organically and people mostly behaved rationally. Plus some fun stuff between Takagi and Sato et al. My only minor quibbles are again how forthcoming all the neighbors are with the kids, and how the different groups (the kids had split up to investigate) would share what they'd learned, and then one would say, "What about ____?" and the others would look shocked at this new clue...and then go, "Oh yeah, we heard that too." This happened five or six times! Seriously, one of their better cases, and the DBs were actually really useful for once. |
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Gina Szanboti
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1198 "Cinderella's Shoe"
That wasn't half bad, though the twist was obvious, if not how they'd get there. But did Conan really dig up a suspected crime scene by himself (without anyone noticing) instead of getting the police on site to do it??  And if he got help, how did neither of the detectives nor Mori know about it until the reveal, given what he found?
Chuckle at a drunken Mori waiting for a prince and not a princess to return his lost shoe. |
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Gina Szanboti
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1202 "I Cannot Lie to Archery"
This wasn't too bad, but a main plot point was having the two suspects fire arrows at a dummy target set up where the victim was found, through trees from atop a high-rise building a considerable distance away, to see if either could hit it. Ok fine. However, Mori and the detectives, who have no idea how good or bad a shot either of the archers are (who both conceivably have reason to miss on purpose even if they're Olympic caliber), observe from about three feet behind and slightly to the side of the target. Now I'd want to watch from the relative safety of the house, but maybe that's just me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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WatcherZer
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That was an impossible shot anyway, top of a 20 story building and over a kilometre ground distance without wind gauges on a windy day, you couldn't even see the target dummy from the top without a scope and yet both brothers hit the dummy in the neck. The bows they were using are modern competitive lightweight compound bows with a range of up to 200m but usually shooting at targets just 30m away. Even Longbows would struggle beyond a 300-400m range and you would be lucky to land within a few metres of the target.
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