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frodosda
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:13 am |
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HI you all!
Just recently find out in a great article about anime history that one of anime's greatest influences was in fact WALT DISNEY, particulary his Snow White and the Seven Dwarves movie. It's from Disney also that came the idea to make anime characters with big and round eyes something not typical in Nippon.
Who else knows tidbits of anime history that wants to share?
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Your Protector
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:24 pm |
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| frodosda wrote: | | HI you all!
Just recently find out in a great article about anime history that one of anime's greatest influences was in fact WALT DISNEY, particulary his Snow White and the Seven Dwarves movie. It's from Disney also that came the idea to make anime characters with big and round eyes something not typical in Nippon.
Who else knows tidbits of anime history that wants to share? |
Wow I never knew that. I never thought Disney had anything to do with anime.
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Nagisa
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:52 pm |
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| Your Protector wrote: | Wow I never knew that. I never thought Disney had anything to do with anime. |
Disney didn't have a direct hand in producing the first anime, but the studio's works were an incredible inspiration for aspiring Japanese animators back when the animation industry in Japan was first taking off. In fact, other American animators like Max Fleischer, Tex Avery, and Chuck Jones could probably take every bit as much credit as Walt Disney for being a major positive influence on the budding anime industry, without any of them having ever worked on a single anime.
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AU_Gundam
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:20 pm |
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All Disney ever had was some influence. Nothing beyond that.
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Kirkdawg
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:31 pm |
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Huh, last I checked anime=animation so I'm a bit confused as to what exactly is being discussed here. If anime is exclusively supposed to include just Japanese animation, then I think the word we use for that purpose needs to be changed to something like J-Anime (as we see in J-Rock, J-Pop, etc.)
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icomeanon6
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| AU_Gundam wrote: | | All Disney ever had was some influence. Nothing beyond that. |
I disagree wholeheartedly. Disney was more than just an influence, it was a pioneer in the field of animation. So many animation techniques were first used on a large scale at Disney that their importance can't be ignored or understated. Let's face it, the technical merits of Disney films put the vast majority of modern anime to shame. In that regard, they're nearly unrivaled. I say "nearly" only because of Miyazaki and Otomo.
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eyeresist
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:43 pm |
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| Nagisa wrote: | | Your Protector wrote: | Wow I never knew that. I never thought Disney had anything to do with anime. |
Disney didn't have a direct hand in producing the first anime, but the studio's works were an incredible inspiration for aspiring Japanese animators back when the animation industry in Japan was first taking off. In fact, other American animators like Max Fleischer, Tex Avery, and Chuck Jones could probably take every bit as much credit as Walt Disney for being a major positive influence on the budding anime industry, without any of them having ever worked on a single anime. |
I think YP was being sarcastic?
I agree that other animators you name were also important. They were particularly influential on Osamu Tezuka, who in turn went on to become the "father" of modern manga and anime. In his animation, you can see influence from US animation from the 1930s, notably in scenes involving wacky distorted physical movements, and gags like a robot playing an instrument that is part of his body. Although he was influential, these elements I've mentioned were mostly pared away by his Japanese successors.
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:44 pm |
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| Kirkdawg wrote: | | Huh, last I checked anime=animation so I'm a bit confused as to what exactly is being discussed here. If anime is exclusively supposed to include just Japanese animation, then I think the word we use for that purpose needs to be changed to something like J-Anime (as we see in J-Rock, J-Pop, etc.) |
Don't be a twit. While the Japanese use anime to describe all animation, when an English speaker uses the word "anime", it is usually implied that they are talking about Japanese animation. It's not a perfect system, but it's simple and it works. Let's not get into a anime/animation definition tangle; those get repetitive fast.
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Your Protector
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:09 am |
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| Dorcas_Aurelia wrote: | | Kirkdawg wrote: | | Huh, last I checked anime=animation so I'm a bit confused as to what exactly is being discussed here. If anime is exclusively supposed to include just Japanese animation, then I think the word we use for that purpose needs to be changed to something like J-Anime (as we see in J-Rock, J-Pop, etc.) |
Don't be a twit. While the Japanese use anime to describe all animation, when an English speaker uses the word "anime", it is usually implied that they are talking about Japanese animation. It's not a perfect system, but it's simple and it works. Let's not get into a anime/animation definition tangle; those get repetitive fast. |
You might be correct but you don't have to be so blunt. It's rude.
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Nagisa
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:57 am |
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| Your Protector wrote: | | You might be correct but you don't have to be so blunt. It's rude. |
It's an extremely old and oft-repeated argument, and typically the only people that ever take the opposing view ("we should call Tom & Jerry anime!") are trolls just trying to deliberately ruffle everyone's feathers for kicks. It's understandable if people get touchy about it being brought up.
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Your Protector
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:32 am |
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| Nagisa wrote: | | Your Protector wrote: | | You might be correct but you don't have to be so blunt. It's rude. |
It's an extremely old and oft-repeated argument, and typically the only people that ever take the opposing view ("we should call Tom & Jerry anime!") are trolls just trying to deliberately ruffle everyone's feathers for kicks. It's understandable if people get touchy about it being brought up. |
Yes your right.
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AU_Gundam
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:26 am |
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| icomeanon4 wrote: | | AU_Gundam wrote: | | All Disney ever had was some influence. Nothing beyond that. |
I disagree wholeheartedly. Disney was more than just an influence, it was a pioneer in the field of animation. So many animation techniques were first used on a large scale at Disney that their importance can't be ignored or understated. Let's face it, the technical merits of Disney films put the vast majority of modern anime to shame. In that regard, they're nearly unrivaled. I say "nearly" only because of Miyazaki and Otomo. |
It was just an influence in terms of how it affected the development of anime. If we were broadly speaking about animation, then Disney would be the pioneer for just about everything that was animated in that respect.
But since we are only handling the topic of anime, yes, it was just an influence and nothing more.
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MonkeyFunk
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:42 am |
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Hayao Miyazaki - who doesn't particularly like Disney - was heavily influenced by The Snow Queen, a film from the Russian studio Soyuzmultfilm. Unfortunately that tends to get left out of discussions on anime history thanks to the "attribute everything to Disney" movement.
| Kirkdawg wrote: | | Huh, last I checked anime=animation so I'm a bit confused as to what exactly is being discussed here. If anime is exclusively supposed to include just Japanese animation, then I think the word we use for that purpose needs to be changed to something like J-Anime (as we see in J-Rock, J-Pop, etc.) |
Er... by your own logic, wouldn't "J-anime" also cover animation from Jamaica, Jersey and Jordan?
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