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_V_



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:13 am Reply with quote
Many anime series feature adolescent characters who are technically underage;

Evangelion stars 14 year olds; it has no explicit on-screen sex acts involving these characters, there's occasional nudity but its not sexually suggestive.

how would this new law in Canada affect the transmission of Eva and other similar shows?
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:17 am Reply with quote
_V_ wrote:
Many anime series feature adolescent characters who are technically underage;

Evangelion stars 14 year olds; it has no explicit on-screen sex acts involving these characters, there's occasional nudity but its not sexually suggestive.

how would this new law in Canada affect the transmission of Eva and other similar shows?


Doesn't affect. Misleading or bad intentions would be a problem but there is none. Unless a lawyer smack me for this statement, that's how laws usually are sanely applied in my country. We don't over do it like the states. We always check the circumstances around it.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:40 am Reply with quote
_V_ wrote:
how would this new law in Canada affect the transmission of Eva and other similar shows?


You misunderstood the article.

There's no new law.

These laws have been in effect for a long time, its just the guidelines (which are not themselves "law") for the border guards that are being publicly published for the first time.

Additionally, you seem to have missed this part of the guidelines: "only if characters are explicitly depicted as children involved in sex acts." The examples you gave don't apply. The actual laws contain similar verbiage that effectively differentiates between casual nudity and pornography.

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"[the law] should include visual works of the imagination as well as depictions of actual people. ... "person" in s. 163.1 includes both actual and imaginary human beings."


Wow.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:57 am Reply with quote
Isn't it illegal to depict people with pubic hair at ALL in Japan?
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:59 am Reply with quote
Anyone know what "secondary sexual characteristics" are?
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:01 am Reply with quote
Damn, why are all these countries so authoritarian? Throwing someone in prison for looking at a drawing is just plain wrong.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:02 am Reply with quote
DerekTheRed wrote:
Anyone know what "secondary sexual characteristics" are?


From Wikipedia:
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"Secondary sex characteristics are features that distinguish the two sexes of a species, but that are not directly part of the reproductive system. They are believed to be the product of sexual selection for traits which give an individual an advantage over its rivals in courtship and aggressive interactions.[citation needed] They are distinguished from the primary sex characteristics: the sex organs, which are directly necessary for reproduction to occur.


Also, does this mean I should be wary about buying anything from Icarus Publishing?


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:02 am Reply with quote
I'm assuming genitalia.
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Dakaran



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:08 am Reply with quote
jmfsilenthill wrote:
DerekTheRed wrote:
Anyone know what "secondary sexual characteristics" are?


From Wikipedia:
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"Secondary sex characteristics are features that distinguish the two sexes of a species, but that are not directly part of the reproductive system. They are believed to be the product of sexual selection for traits which give an individual an advantage over its rivals in courtship and aggressive interactions.[citation needed] They are distinguished from the primary sex characteristics: the sex organs, which are directly necessary for reproduction to occur.


Also, does this mean I should be wary about buying anything from Icarus Publishing?


Like I said in another thread, unless it's a freaky looking 10 years old having sex nobody gonna bitch at you for looking at a 16-19 years old flirting "with less clothes" unless it's outrageously disgusting and the like which would then be sexual acts directly done and implied such as pornography.

Even less if you're close to her age, and yes as stated we look at circumstances, which includes the age of the reader. If you're 2-3 years above it normally nobody cares but if you're 15 years above you're screwing yourself up because now that's really badly seen in Canada. Around here, a 20-21 years old can go out with a 16 years old no problem almost all the time given his respect is OK to his girl so it's accepted kind of but still subject to parents approval... well, not like the girl cares if she wants the 20 years old guy more mature etc, but still applies in the end. (So having the family liking you and backing you is of good manner)

If, for some reasons, it completely comes out from the picture in a book, manga and others, as being disrespectful to older teens such as bad treatments someone will act and then complain but at least the line is drawn clearly. Showing stuff that just screams "I wanna slap your daughter and bondage her" is one thing pushing morality to its limit that is not accepted but reasonably looking like 18 girls just charming looks shouldn't have problems.


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Daemonblue



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:16 am Reply with quote
Shay Guy wrote:
Isn't it illegal to depict people with pubic hair at ALL in Japan?


No it's not, maybe at one time pubic hair was censored, but it isn't right now and that's what matters.

That said, I still don't agree with that Canadian law and it's one of the few reasoins I dislike Canada, though their PM throwing out suggestions from the public on copyright reform in favor of fast tracking changes to it recently might go on that list...
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:21 am Reply with quote
But violation of cartoon children that is non-sexual is still cool, right?
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:27 am Reply with quote
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Exceptions exist for cases where the work serves a "legitimate purpose related to the administration of justice or to science, medicine, education or art; and does not pose an undue risk of harm to persons under the age of eighteen years."

This. Thank goodness for this! This clause alone protects most anything of true merit and utility. If this is applied fairly, very little would actually be outright illegal. It also forces officials to deal with things case by case rather than applying broad censorship. That this kind of provision has been lacking in recent Japanese legislation is my primary problem with them.

And as for "secondary sexual features," I'd guess they're mostly talking about breasts and pubic hair. If a female character is flat as a board and hasn't got a lick of hair on here, you don't get to pretend that she's 18.
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Dakaran



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:28 am Reply with quote
dewlwieldthedarpachief wrote:
But violation of cartoon children that is non-sexual is still cool, right?


Ya, South Park was fine with its gore and blood pouring off Kenny's head who knows how many he was killed but that was part of the main attraction of the show which was done in humour it didn't hurt anybody so it went fine with teens. We were like," damn, he killed Kenny!" and laugh it off.

Our pet peeve above children molested or abused is because of Aurore who was martyr and similar stories, and ugh... read the book about a real story that's disturbing in too many ways. If it even gets close to that and sexual abuse, deprives a child from a healthy growth then our laws shut it down. Otherwise, it says whatever, who cares and enjoy your shows since it does no harm to anybody.


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GhstDreamer



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:31 am Reply with quote
This reminds me that being an arts teacher, I was going to show my 12 year old students Spirited Away because as part of the art curriculum, they need to do a comparison between Disney and Japanese animation. I figure Spirited Away contains important messages that can promote class discussion and it would've also keep the students' attention since many of them has never been introduced to animation besides American animation. However, administration told me it's not an appropriate movie to show children and this came down from the district board office. The scenes are too frightening and there's smoking in it. Rolling Eyes
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