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Fiction Alchemist



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:23 am Reply with quote
The Saban version of the Digimon Movie, which is three Digimon movies edited together, is counted in the encyclopedia as an anime. Seen here:

anime#806

However, Robotech, which was constructed in the same way as the Digimon movie (from three other Japanese anime), is listed as a U.S. TV show. Seen here:

anime#71

Is not one of these listings thus incorrect?

EDIT: Changed 4kids to Saban.


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Shiroi Hane
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:12 am Reply with quote
For one thing: 4Kids have nothing to do with Digimon (it was Fox/Saban).

The major difference that I can see is that the Digimon movie is compiled from three smaller Digimon movies (all too short for US cinemas), while Robotech was a hodgepodge of unrelated anime making something completely unique.
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Fiction Alchemist



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:07 am Reply with quote
Yes, sorry. It slipped my mind.

I still don't see why the Digimon Movie wouldn't count as a U.S. movie though. It was an amalgam created by the U.S. license-holders. Those movies were meant to be together no more than Robotech or Captain Harlock and the Queen of a Thousand Years were meant to comprise multiple anime.

In the end, all three of the above-mentioned amalgams feature Japanese animation and all three were derived from anime. None of the three contain animation from outside of anime. I think all would count as anime or else none. It's inconsistent to treat one differently than the others.

EDIT: And if it's a sticking point, note that Digimon's three movies were re-written to connect them together, much like the three anime that comprise Robotech were re-written to fit together.

As for "all too short for U.S. cinema", if that matters at all, then I should also note: The reason why the three anime were combined for Robotech was because all three were too short for syndication. Combined, they were able to be syndicated.


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Dessa



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:32 am Reply with quote
While there were some alterations made to the Digimon movies, they still told the same story. Whereas the story for Robotech is not the same as its individual series. I'm pretty sure that's where the difference is.

The Digimon movie is 3 movies put together to roughly tell the same stories. Robotech is 3 anime put together to tell a completely different story. Compilation vs. complete reworking.
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Fiction Alchemist



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:31 am Reply with quote
Well, I haven't seen Robotech, but I have seen people talking about it (some spoilers, of course, especially in the third link):

http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/read.php?id=595345&forumid=24

http://gundam-eclipse.com/topic/1457209/1/

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=228

Macross's story, at least, is said to be the same for the most part. Seems Mospeada wasn't changed much either.

Also, it seems that Super Dimension Fortress Southern Cross was a part of the Super Dimension franchise before Macross's popularity made it into its own franchise. Southern Cross even makes references to Macross. Thus, only Mospeada is truly unrelated to the other two that make up Robotech.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Dimension_Cavalry_Southern_Cross

Now, the Digimon Movie I have seen, and Saban re-wrote all three of the movies when they spliced them. They inserted characters where they weren't supposed to be in an attempt to better tie the movies together and had one character narrate it all as a single piece. They also cut out 40 minutes of footage. Spoilers in the below links.

http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Digimon:_The_Movie

http://www.digishakers.com/movie1.html

http://www.digishakers.com/movie2.html

http://www.digishakers.com/movie3.html

Conclusion: Both Robotech and the Digimon Movie were re-written and had their stories altered nearly equally from the anime they derived from.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:49 pm Reply with quote
The main reason why the Digimon movie is not labelled as a US movie is simply that no one ever bothered to do it or ask for it before. But now that someone does, I kinda have to agree with him. The circumstances of Robotech and Digimon Movie are similar. IMHO the important point is that this movie was compiled by a US company, for US audiences. AFAIK it's never been released in Japan. So I'm switching it to a US movie, at least until/unless someone objects.
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