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Engineering Nerd



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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 11:58 am Reply with quote
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Strictly heterosexual thus far, Momoko largely undeveloped


I admit that was my dissatisfaction as well, but after reading ahead via Japanese bookwalker version after buying my printed English version, I am happy to report neither will be a problem in the future volumes as apparently Okada went surprisingly deep on those girls' characterizations (hopefully I didn't spoil much Embarassed )


Also, Kodansha's printed English volumes are gorgeous and collectible-worthy, and I encourage everyone give this bitter-sweet, weird yet realistic teen romantic drama a try.

Oh yeah, since the anime will be out in July, I can almost imagine all sorts of reactions from others after watching the first episode.
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reveals that having sex is on her bucket list


Hummmm they do teach sex ed in japan, right? How is having sex before dying shocking?
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 12:36 pm Reply with quote
If we're going to talk about toxic tropes, isn't "plain girl is actually beautiful without her glasses" one of the oldest?

meiam wrote:
Hummmm they do teach sex ed in japan, right? How is having sex before dying shocking?

It's shocking to the other girls in the club. It's made quite clear that girls in their school are already having sex.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 1:57 pm Reply with quote
Engineering Nerd wrote:
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Strictly heterosexual thus far, Momoko largely undeveloped


I admit that was my dissatisfaction as well, but after reading ahead via Japanese bookwalker version after buying my printed English version, I am happy to report neither will be a problem in the future volumes as apparently Okada went surprisingly deep on those girls' characterizations (hopefully I didn't spoil much Embarassed ).


Personally, I somehow do not quite understand why this should be considered a "problem." The author is not obliged to write about something only due to the fact that this is an actual political or social discourse, especially since people are now complaining about even the slightest hint of heterosexuality in yuri or BL works.

In any case, Okada has long been known as a feminist with her approach to writing romance and portraying women in anime in general, so I won’t even be surprised if this topic is somehow affected in subsequent volumes.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 2:49 pm Reply with quote
Netero wrote:
If we're going to talk about toxic tropes, isn't "plain girl is actually beautiful without her glasses" one of the oldest?


It is, but I interpreted that scene as being less about reality and more about the boy in question's rosy vision of her - he's enamored with her and so he sees everything about her as being more than it might really be. If I'm proven wrong later...um, oops?



@Engineering Nerd

You have no idea how glad I am to hear that!
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 3:38 pm Reply with quote
Princess_Irene wrote:
It is, but I interpreted that scene as being less about reality and more about the boy in question's rosy vision of her - he's enamored with her and so he sees everything about her as being more than it might really be. If I'm proven wrong later...um, oops?


From what I've been lead to understand, the girls' individual story arcs are each designed to explore particular aspects of Mari Okada's own adolescent experiences. For example, as a teenager Okada took a job where she wrote "scenarios" for pornographic films, and Okada draws on how she felt about this in her depiction of Hongo's attempts to write sexual encounters that she hasn't herself experienced. Initially, I was really worried that this would mean that the story would devolve into they typical teen-movie pattern of "here's the girl whose storyline contains all of Okada's realizations that some boys are douchebags even if they 'act nice', here's the girl whose storyline contains representations of the bullying that caused Okada to almost drop out of school, etc."

I'm happy to report that my concerns have turned out to be pretty much ungrounded, and that Okada has carefully and meticulously plotted out the ways in which stuff that happens to one girl impacts the other girls' views of the world. There's no one girl whose experiences cause her (and only her) to, for example, realize that some boys have idealized "rose-colored visions" of their crushes, or that even the most wholesome boys might be into really dirty porn; when things happen between the girls and their crushes, it heavily influences their friends' views of their own love lives.

Also, in my opinion Momoko has some of the best scenes that Okada has ever written.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 5:42 pm Reply with quote
Sounds like a decent start to this series. It is one that I want to check out, but I think I'll watch the anime before I decide to grab the manga.

Okada's works (the ones I've seen) are 50/50 for me, which is why I'm approaching this one with kid gloves. Especially seeing as it'll be dealing with multiple characters/relationships...main thing that I hope is avoided (as the review speaks on tropes) is a love triangle (or triangles).

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Strictly heterosexual thus far

Seeing as this was a negative, was the series promoted in a way that would make people believe there'd be non-het content, so they may pick up this under false pretenses. Others have noted that it doesn't seem to be the case (for it being het-only), or was the review expecting for non-het content?

Honest question, as I've only ever read the blurb on ANN articles for this, not seen a commercial for the anime, but I did make the assumption that it wouldn't be het-only.
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Whoa! Mari Okada actually wrote a manga? Never thought she'd do that so soon. This isn't really my thing, as I liked Anthem of the Heart and Maquia more, but I hope this manga of hers is successful, even if she is working with an artist for the artwork and just writing the story.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 6:30 pm Reply with quote
FireChick wrote:
Whoa! Mari Okada actually wrote a manga? Never thought she'd do that so soon. This isn't really my thing, as I liked Anthem of the Heart and Maquia more, but I hope this manga of hers is successful, even if she is working with an artist for the artwork and just writing the story.


She already has several manga, including adaptations of her anime. One of the WIXOSS manga can even be described as dark yuri more or less. Look for Selector Infected WIXOSS: Re/verse.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 6:45 pm Reply with quote
Ali07 wrote:

Seeing as this was a negative, was the series promoted in a way that would make people believe there'd be non-het content, so they may pick up this under false pretenses. Others have noted that it doesn't seem to be the case (for it being het-only), or was the review expecting for non-het content?

Honest question, as I've only ever read the blurb on ANN articles for this, not seen a commercial for the anime, but I did make the assumption that it wouldn't be het-only.


It was more a hope I had given that the series is marketed as dealing with budding awareness of sexuality. Speaking as someone who teaches courses in children's literature (which includes young adult), I've seen a lot of really good changes in terms of inclusivity, and that's a trend I always hope to see grow. With the number of protagonists, it also would make sense to expand beyond strictly representing heterosexuality.

Remember that this is only a review of volume one, and unlike some of the commenters, I haven't read beyond it. If there are changes to the sexualities covered later on, I haven't hit it yet, so I'll cover that when I do get to it.

Representation is so important. I taught the picture book Prince & Knight in one of my classes this semester, and several of my students said that they wished it had been around when they were little.
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 7:29 am Reply with quote
There is nothing wrong with gay romance plotlines but firmly placing the lack of one as a negative is a bit too much. Being inclusive is fine but when a story is pressured into having a token gay/black/trans/muslim/whatever character in their plot from perceived pressure from society i have issues with it.
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 8:40 am Reply with quote
Halko wrote:
There is nothing wrong with gay romance plotlines but firmly placing the lack of one as a negative is a bit too much. Being inclusive is fine but when a story is pressured into having a token gay/black/trans/muslim/whatever character in their plot from perceived pressure from society i have issues with it.


Agreed. I have no problem whatsoever with LGBT content and I am happy to see that it does not have the stigma it once had, but to frame a lack of it as a negative is a bit much in my opinion too. What next? Are we going to shoot down works because they lack reference to other forms of sexuality like BDSM and a variety of more colorful paraphilas? What about other current hot "trending" topics like environmentalism?

Let's focus on those issues when and where the author feels it's appropriate. There is no need to shoe-horn them into everything; there are plenty of titles to go around. I thought My Lesbian Loneliness did a great job addressing the homosexuality angle, for example. Would we critique it and say that it's a negative because it doesn't address heterosexuality?
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 9:50 am Reply with quote
AkumaChef wrote:
Halko wrote:
There is nothing wrong with gay romance plotlines but firmly placing the lack of one as a negative is a bit too much. Being inclusive is fine but when a story is pressured into having a token gay/black/trans/muslim/whatever character in their plot from perceived pressure from society i have issues with it.


Agreed. I have no problem whatsoever with LGBT content and I am happy to see that it does not have the stigma it once had, but to frame a lack of it as a negative is a bit much in my opinion too. What next? Are we going to shoot down works because they lack reference to other forms of sexuality like BDSM and a variety of more colorful paraphilas? What about other current hot "trending" topics like environmentalism?

Let's focus on those issues when and where the author feels it's appropriate. There is no need to shoe-horn them into everything; there are plenty of titles to go around. I thought My Lesbian Loneliness did a great job addressing the homosexuality angle, for example. Would we critique it and say that it's a negative because it doesn't address heterosexuality?


I think that's a big thing for me, as well, the insistence of judging a work (especially a foreign work) on the preferred wedge issues of a certain political and geographical subset of America. You don't see a similar insistence on there being more (explicitly) Jewish characters and depictions, despite that being a similar proportion of American society with a similar ability to pass and its own approaches to sex and marriage. We certainly don't see American media focusing on Japanese wedge issues like that consumption tax or relation with China and North Korea. A side note is that this is why I found the School Trip arc of Boruto so refreshing, as it's a very direct allegory on a specifically Japanese political issue.

I'd personally be much more interested in seeing a focus on Japan's work culture (which extends to kids due to the long school days, expected club participation, and cram school) on relationships and desire and a barakumin girl.
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 10:14 am Reply with quote
Gosh, some of the comments here... Rolling Eyes It's not like Rebecca wants the manga to be banned for overabundance of heterosexuality.

The story is about a group of teenage girls discovering their sexuality, so it's really not that far-fetched to want to see some diversity. And last time i checked, being gay is not just the latest trend amongst westernes of a certain political leaning...
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 10:16 am Reply with quote
Scalfin wrote:

I think that's a big thing for me, as well, the insistence of judging a work (especially a foreign work) on the preferred wedge issues of a certain political and geographical subset of America. You don't see a similar insistence on there being more (explicitly) Jewish characters and depictions, despite that being a similar proportion of American society with a similar ability to pass and its own approaches to sex and marriage. We certainly don't see American media focusing on Japanese wedge issues like that consumption tax or relation with China and North Korea.


Agreed completely.

It seems a lot of the critiques about "lack of diversity" aren't really about "diversity" in the true sense of the word, but really are about a specific subset of issues that the person making the critique cares about personally.
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