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penguintruth



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:35 pm Reply with quote
Wings of the Honneamise is my favorite anime movie, too. I have the expensive Blu-Ray/DVD Combo release from Bandai Visual.

I hadn't heard that the third Lupin movie was going to be directed by Oshii. That certainly would have been different from Gold of Babylon, that's for sure (and probably better).

In my opinion, the first Lupin III series doesn't get good until around when Goemon shows up. The first few episodes are terrible. There aren't even any heists for a while. The series doesn't really hit its stride perfectly until the episode "Assassin Sings the Blues", where an old partner of Fujiko's shows up and holds her hostage when she's hurt. Lupin shows quite a bit of emotion in trying to rescue her.

I think I like the second series a little better since there's a lot more work on the heists, but the first series is quite good and I intend to purchase it from Discotek.
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Lord Geo



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:30 pm Reply with quote
For some reason I've always imagined that Carl Horn had a deeper, gruffer voice... Maybe it was simply because his middle name, Gustav, made me think of a deeper voice for some reason. Anyway, I really like how Carl encourages people to start their own companies and try their own hands at releasing anime & manga. I honestly wouldn't mind trying it myself, but I just don't think I have the appropriate knowledge right now to start and run a business. I also found the whole "get your college/university to license something" idea interesting, though I think it's highly unlikely nowadays.

$350,000 for all of Evangelion TV? I remember David Williams admitting a few years ago that people told ADV that they were crazy for licensing Eva for the price they got it for, and that they would never make a profit at that point... Ha... Ha... Ha.

Reading Jason Thompson's House of 1000 Manga on Eagle and now hearing Carl's take on the manga and its release I would actually love to see the manga get a new release over here. It's kind of amazing how encyclopedic Carl's knowledge of anime & manga is... The man is amazing.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:59 pm Reply with quote
I really enjoyed this episode I became a anime fan back in the mid 90's, so I found it really interesting to hear about the really early days of anime/manga fandom. It reminded me a lot of the early MST3K days, when we would recording the episodes and mailing tapes to our friends and family all over the US.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:35 pm Reply with quote
this ep is kind of boring to me. I couldn't finish it. The hating on anime ep last week was better ^^.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:06 pm Reply with quote
Really informative, Carl's a really interesting guy.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:27 pm Reply with quote
Love shows about the anime/manga scene in the U.S. early on, and love shows about manga, so I got a real treat out of this show.

I love how much of this was just Carl recounting stories. I was cracking up at Carl's random segue into discussing his opinion on the state of America as a whole with Eagle, but it was definitely fun.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:34 pm Reply with quote
It's always so fascinating to hear about the origins of anime fandom in America... I almost wish I'd been around for that - I'm a young 'un of the Pokémon era - it sounds almost...romantic? Like simpler times, haha. But I love the stuff of my generation too, it's the old fandom culture I'd most like to experience.

Carl was a great guest! He sounded a bit like a university professor reading a lecture - in the best possible sense, of course. Great episode!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:51 pm Reply with quote
Only about halfway through the podcast so far, but I wanted to say thanks for this one. It's fascinating to hear anecdotes about the history of anime in the U.S., and how the seeds of so much we take for granted now were planted back then. Really enlightening stuff (and to think Fanime was born from...Foothill College?). It's like the feeling of watching a documentary and Carl is the guy who's sitting in a chair like, "I was there. Yeah, back in the day when 'People on the internet said this was the best anime!' was a ringing endorsement."

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:52 pm Reply with quote
neocloud9 wrote:
It's always so fascinating to hear about the origins of anime fandom in America... I almost wish I'd been around for that - I'm a young 'un of the Pokémon era - it sounds almost...romantic? Like simpler times, haha. But I love the stuff of my generation too, it's the old fandom culture I'd most like to experience.

Carl was a great guest! He sounded a bit like a university professor reading a lecture - in the best possible sense, of course. Great episode!


I'm a Pokemon-era fan too, but I kinda had the opposite reaction, particularly when it came to fan community and fan efforts. "You used an Amiga and tape-to-tape to burn subtitles onto a movie in 12 split segments that took you HOW long, and you had to rent a studio to work in and--GUH?!" Shocked Ohgod... Anime hyper (Tape-to-tape editing is counterproductive tedium even when splicing cuts together, and subtitling is arguably more precise...maaaaybe. Still frame-specific stuff, but GEEZ.)

I mean, I'm so glad being an anime fan is as easy now as it is, even with the glut of the more entitled fans and the problems that brings. But yes, all around fascinating stuff. ^W^
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:46 pm Reply with quote
Zac and Justin barely had to talk at all. It's as though they just had to pull a string coming out of Carl's back every now and again. I imagine that he has enough left to say for another episode some day. Hell, he probably could write a book.

I was pleased to hear that Carl Horn dresses well. Given how obsessively casual Americans, particularly nerds, can be, some class and style in dress is relieving.

I enjoy hearing from people who have been part of things since the way-back-when. It provides an interesting perspective and some good stories. I always find the differences among the 'eras' of anime fandom in the United States striking. Sometimes it seems that even as the number of fans has grown, the material itself has become less accessible. Is there any contemporary or near contemporary analog to Royal Space Force: The Wings of Honnêamise? There is Redline, but that seems to be a very different kind of film. I also wonder if the the loss of the OVA as an independent story, or even advertisement for a manga, rather than an appendage to an existing anime series makes it harder to demonstrate anime. Some series or other might be just swell, but it's harder to get somebody to sit through even just eleven episodes that come out to about four hours than a handful of half hour to forty-five minute episodes.

The digression on Eagle was intriguing. I really should try to read that some time; I've been curious about it since I read Jason Thompson's column about it, which inspired Mr. Horn to reply, and I've been curious about Kaiji Kawaguchi since I read about first heard of Zipang. (For some reason I thought that he also made First President of Japan, but that was Yoshiki Hidaka and Ryuji Tsugihara).

As for the low election turnout in Japan: I think that he's wrong that it's lower than in the United States, as per this chart, but it is relatively low. This doesn't surprise me as the average Japanese elector has traditionally had good reason to be rather cynical about politics. The obvious factor is that from 1955 to 2009, Japan was a one-party dominant state with the Liberal Democratic Party was always the largest party and the only time when it wasn't also the party of government was a brief interlude in the early nineties shortly after the 'bubble burst' when an eight-party coalition was able to take power. It wasn't very stable or long-lived, but it introduced electoral reforms that largely worked to the benefit of opposition parties and the coalition group was a progenitor for the Democratic Party of Japan, which won a very large majority in 2009. What's more, post-war Japanese parties, especially the LDP, have really been alliances of political factions that vied for power internally and through patron-client relationships, largely beyond the influence of the electorate. Although I think that factionalism might be declining because of the replacement of SNTV with a mixed system. Lastly, for much of the post-war era, the Cabinet had limited influence over policy as all policy decisions were referred to the Policy Affairs Research Council, an organization outside of the Diet. In a way, despite the republican machinery of the Japanese constitution, for most of the last half of the twentieth century, Japanese government operated much like the oligarchies that traditionally governed the country. The Japanese might even feel that it isn't really their government because the Japanese Constitution was in effect written in a week by seventeen officers and eight civilians of Brigadier General Courtney Whitney's Government Section, then forced upon the Diet with mostly minor changes which adopted it as an amendment of the Meiji Constitution as a formality.

When Carl spoke about how executives thought that Pokemon wouldn't succeed in the United States because it wasn't American, it made me reflect upon just how condescending, provincial and sometimes outright bigoted American entertainment executives have tended to be. Older audiences and people from isolated communities might well be unwilling to accept things that were made by furriners, but children, whose preferences and prejudices haven't been fixed yet, and a lot of younger Americans generally seem pretty willing to accept things from 'outside'. Of course, it's not just a matter of foreign things; what makes it striking is that there're similar attitudes about the roles open to people who aren't white men as well as just ideas such as not having a happy ending no matter what. I'm not sure if this is because the American entertainment industry is dominated by old white people who are hung up on their own badly anachronistic, parochial and regressive standards for entertainment or some kind of risk-aversion run amok, but it's dumb and I hope that it someday goes away.

I was slightly surprised to learn that 300, Hellboy and Sin City had been translated into Japanese. While I don't imagine that they've sold spectacularly, it's nice to know that there is at least a little representation of American comics as something other than capes. It might be very interesting to read some opinions of them from a Japanese perspective.

Lord Geo wrote:
For some reason I've always imagined that Carl Horn had a deeper, gruffer voice... Maybe it was simply because his middle name, Gustav, made me think of a deeper voice for some reason.


His whole name has a badass Germanic feel to it that made me half expect some deep, commanding aristocratic tone. As though he were Carl Gustav, Prince of Horn, Duke of Lauenburg


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Mc-Taz



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:07 am Reply with quote
Carl definitely loves to talk, but man he's a lot of fun to listen to! I really enjoyed this ANNCast. I got the feeling that Zac had to jump in every now and then just to kind of steer him back on track. It was pretty entertaining. Smile

And on an unrelated note: Ittoujuuuuuu Razz
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:57 am Reply with quote
Carl, if I ever get the opportunity to hang out and chat with you, please lend me your cell phone before we start so I can order out for lunch. And dinner.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:19 am Reply with quote
Mc-Taz wrote:
Carl definitely loves to talk, but man he's a lot of fun to listen to!


His voice loves it a little less. After 70 minutes or so it becomes pretty noticable Laughing

But yeah, I really enjoyed this podcast, too!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:02 am Reply with quote
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They were pushing JP price models even back then


Yeah, but there was a justification for it then, because the audience was smaller. Plus, you could rent 'em up front first. Unless they were hentai. Rhen you had to go to specialty vid stores for those...

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"Hey, remember Pearl Harbor!"


Actually, certain a-holes said that right after Fukushima. Mad Though in the 90s, for me, it was, "Pornomation".

RE: Ebert. Forgot he reviewed it.

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interviewed Oshii about connections to AUM


In retrospect, I was wondering about whether or not Akira was meant to be a jab at AUM, too. An acquaintance suggested as such for the Lupin Nostradamus special. But someone on Twitter named @ulrika1120 looked at the interview with the director, who said the film had just come out around the same time, and it was just a coincidence.

Also, speaking of parallels to Kawaguchi's work...

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I never thought I'd see the day [Lupin Green Jacket] would come out here


Well, if you were on the ML in the 90s, a lot of people never thought we'd get beyond Cagliostro on DVD. But we got red jacket and most of the original manga. So I always believed there was a market for that title; it just needed good representation. That's ironically why I think we should have gotten green jacket in the first place, because it was shorter, and would have helped establish the mood for the rest of the shows.

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Have any of you guys seen [pink jacket]


I saw the UTB broadcast. There's only two eps I really like out of it, though.

Zac:
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I don't think I've seen any of [green jacket]


I saw the first four eps fansubbed. It's a lot more trippy than they'd get away with nowadays.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:02 am Reply with quote
'If you had a pen pal in Hawaii they could send a VHS to you in the US'

*Ahem!*

We has statehoodz since a while now. Otherwises I could not be Presidnet. Smile

OTOH I used to read Mangajin. I was sad when they folded.

PS: Music was kinda loud compared to the intro/dialog. Not usually an issue but it was 3 in the AM. Smile
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