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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 2:25 pm Reply with quote
Coincidentally, I made a post related to this on Saturday:

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A h yes, the Great Chinese Fire Wall, where the CCP selectively shows shows its people. Remember, the Firewall works both ways. The CCP carefully picks and chooses what to show the world. You all probably know this but many sites, such as youtube, facebook, and twitter are banned in China yet there are many from China's mainland that have a huge social media and youtube presence. Those are the people the CCP wants to show you.
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 4:57 pm Reply with quote
I mean, it makes sense, i watched a graph were China just annihilates the west in profits for anime studios, so of course most studios are gonna make everything they can to fit in the chinese market, since over here people just wanna have anime "for free".

Anime studios are not stupid, if they need to turn their backs on the West to continue to survive, they will do it 100%.
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 5:24 pm Reply with quote
My brother now retired worked as production manager for Sunrise for many decades. We have talk about this other day. His opinion is this is good for studios because schedules are set, bur deadlines are not set to be five minuets before broadcast. No more missed weeks because animation runner or delivery company is trapped in traffic in Nerima or Shinjuku!
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 6:14 pm Reply with quote
Telu wrote:
I mean, it makes sense, i watched a graph were China just annihilates the west in profits for anime studios, so of course most studios are gonna make everything they can to fit in the chinese market, since over here people just wanna have anime "for free".

Anime studios are not stupid, if they need to turn their backs on the West to continue to survive, they will do it 100%.

In the same graph, the US beat Japan. Also, it would be a bad move to turn their backs to another big market
Anyway, pay the animators and stop overworking them. Also, three-month check is nonsense
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 6:35 pm Reply with quote
Replica_Rabbit wrote:

In the same graph, the US beat Japan. Also, it would be a bad move to turn their backs to another big market
Anyway, pay the animators and stop overworking them. Also, three-month check is nonsense


In an ideal world, that kind of requirement might give production committees pause and make them rethink their output in light of such a strict requirement for such a lucrative market. But I think we all know this is just going to mean even more grossly underpaid bodies thrown at the problem in a desperate bid to keep up the current (and frankly ludicrous) pace of shows being made on already tight budgets on even tighter deadlines. Forget squeezing blood from stones, I think they’re trying to wring blood from gravel here.
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 8:24 pm Reply with quote
Telu wrote:
Anime studios are not stupid, if they need to turn their backs on the West to continue to survive, they will do it 100%.


Don't know if that's true, but very bad news for the BL fans if so. One of the CCP's big no no's in their content checks is gay content, as the Freddie Mercury biopic cuts demonstrated once again.
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 9:01 pm Reply with quote
whiskeyii wrote:
But I think we all know this is just going to mean even more grossly underpaid bodies thrown at the problem in a desperate bid to keep up the current (and frankly ludicrous) pace of shows being made on already tight budgets on even tighter deadlines. Forget squeezing blood from stones, I think they’re trying to wring blood from gravel here.


Exactly what I think this will be end result. It is not like they are going to give up the West as a market, but nor will they even try to stay away from the Chinese market just because the schedule is tighter and the content is more limited. So someone is going to be squeezed, and you bet it will be the animators, the people who actually work on the show.

The comment section on twitter trend towards that artistic integrity should not be sacrificed for profit. While this is good in theory, in reality, money talks, so unless people vote with their money and completely tank all shows that kneel for the Chinese market, the artistic will be sacrificed for sure. Actually, it already has.
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 9:52 pm Reply with quote
xxmsxx wrote:
whiskeyii wrote:
But I think we all know this is just going to mean even more grossly underpaid bodies thrown at the problem in a desperate bid to keep up the current (and frankly ludicrous) pace of shows being made on already tight budgets on even tighter deadlines. Forget squeezing blood from stones, I think they’re trying to wring blood from gravel here.


Exactly what I think this will be end result. It is not like they are going to give up the West as a market, but nor will they even try to stay away from the Chinese market just because the schedule is tighter and the content is more limited. So someone is going to be squeezed, and you bet it will be the animators, the people who actually work on the show.

The comment section on twitter trend towards that artistic integrity should not be sacrificed for profit. While this is good in theory, in reality, money talks, so unless people vote with their money and completely tank all shows that kneel for the Chinese market, the artistic will be sacrificed for sure. Actually, it already has.

Started way before the chinese market, that is something that people in 2ch always said, and of course the reason why Fujoshis won a lot thanks to spend like crazy, now comes a new hungry market and is the same all over again, after all the client that spend money is GOD.
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 9:57 pm Reply with quote
China's policy seems like it doesn't understand the concept of trust. What if Japanese studios could promise to produce a show with respect to Chinese standards on violence, sex and other aspects to make it appropriate for Chinese audiences? Continue releasing and animating on a weekly or monthly schedule. China gets what it wants and Japanese creators are afforded a more flexible production schedule. Perhaps with the greater flexibility they could coproduce another version of a series that meets the standards of Japanese and Western fans (as much violence, fanservice and mature content that is permissible by Japanese censors or if needed, direct to video).
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 10:57 pm Reply with quote
Past wrote:
China's policy seems like it doesn't understand the concept of trust. What if Japanese studios could promise to produce a show with respect to Chinese standards on violence, sex and other aspects to make it appropriate for Chinese audiences? Continue releasing and animating on a weekly or monthly schedule. China gets what it wants and Japanese creators are afforded a more flexible production schedule. Perhaps with the greater flexibility they could coproduce another version of a series that meets the standards of Japanese and Western fans (as much violence, fanservice and mature content that is permissible by Japanese censors or if needed, direct to video).


I mean that works in theory, but sometimes people interpret things differently. What "Acceptable Violence" means to a Chinese Bureaucrat and a Japanese Director might not be the same, and unless there's someone in the office while the anime is being made that mistake might not be realized until the anime is done.

I'm reminded of Interspecies Reviewers being pulled from Funimation because the delivered series was not at all what they were expecting. I'm not gonna pretend to know what kind of miscommunication happened in regards to that deal breaking down, but with so much more "disallowed material" for Chinese broadcasters I think that with a produce as it goes method the odds of someone messing up somewhere are A LOT higher.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:04 am Reply with quote
Electric Wooloo wrote:
I mean that works in theory, but sometimes people interpret things differently. What "Acceptable Violence" means to a Chinese Bureaucrat and a Japanese Director might not be the same, and unless there's someone in the office while the anime is being made that mistake might not be realized until the anime is done.
Exactly, very good point. With so many things to be mindful of, promises and trust can only go so far as how well each party understands each other. BTW, readers of this article might be wondering, what exactly is "Content Check"? The article never really clarifies that, so what types of content does that entail since Japan and China are both overall relatively conservative?

From the perspective of a foreign national living in China, one type of content check (out of many) I'd like to mention is anti-establishment thinking. Anime is full of this philosophy, from rebellious characters to story elements showing how authority is often inherently corrupt: Evangelion and Death Note come to mind as examples.

To better understand why these elements are so taboo in China, rather than explaining whether they represent more Western (or even Japanese) thinking, realize that in general, young Chinese people are intensely patriotic and honor the sense that your leaders know what's best for you. Just the slightest hint of rejecting that idea can make any Chinese viewer uncomfortable. And its not just a few Chinese bureaucrats ensuring that restriction on content, Chinese society as a whole seems to embrace it.
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