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LostOne
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Hi Everyone, this is Roy Pitts from AnimeTv.
I just wanted to let you know Episodes 1 and 2 (Along with the first episode of the behind the scenes, and of course Commercials 1-3) are all up for your viewing pleasure. Those of you who saw Episode One and didn't have some good words to say, I would urge you to check out episode 2, it is definitly worth your time. We have a new Segment up called "Made in Japan" done by an Otaku on such a large scale it even scares me. Of course you can check us out on YouTube, Itunes, Revver, Digg, or IFilm. Or you can go directly to the source: www.GoAnimeTv.com And Check out our Myspace: www.myspace.com/goanimetv By this time you are probably wondering why I would post such a shameless plug. Of course I am doing this under the assumption that if you are moved enough to see the show, you would be equally as inclined to post what you think of us, may it be for the better or the worse. I wanna hear it. It is a show by fans, for fans. There really is none more prominent an institution for Otaku discussion and debate than the AnimeNewsNetwork forums. So please, watch us, criticize the critics, your opinion matters. See you around. -Roy |
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Namia_the_Theif_18
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hey i just watched episode 2 of Go Anime TV this morning!! Next wek they'll be reviewing NARUTO!!!!!
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HeeroTX
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Maybe more thoughts later, but seriously, DROP the top 5 thing at the break. It's TOTALLY bogus and is ONLY gonna bring you headaches. The first episode one was at LEAST very subjective with "best", but how the HECK do FMA and Berserk even make it ONTO a "historical" anime top 5? Where is "The Cockpit"? Or "Barefoot Gen"? Or "Zipang"? oo, or what about "Millenium Actress"? If Grave of the Fireflies hadn't made it, I couldn't even CONSIDER taking it seriously.
Props to Bailey this week for discussing Champloo as if there might be people who wouldn't like it (but not being incredibly flippant about it) seeing as I am not a fan of Champloo. I can't believe the "story" is promoted on Champloo seeing as it's (almost) entirely episodic and Watanabe even once explained how he came up with the "story" for many episodes. (hint, there's a reason the "music" is like another character in Champloo & Bebop) Also, considering the love given to Champloo, how was it not in the Top 5 from last week? (I mean, I don't LIKE it, but I don't get that, but then I also think last week was TOO Miyazaki heavy) Basically, I don't think the show is for me, if it's at ALL possible, I think the show would vastly improve if it could be somehow interactive like the former CNN Talkback live: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0925334/ but since it isn't actually "live" I dunno that that would be possible. The Japanese otaku bit was interesting, and I'm kind of curious about NHK now, but I don't know how effective that bit would be "long term". Is the whole point of the show just to be a review show for 1 or two shows each episode? I'm just curious so I can understand the proposed idea and comment appropriately. If so, I think this particular format is not the most effective way to do that, as it doesn't come off as the "professional" type of review that Ebert & Roeper do, but it also doesn't come off as the "fannish discusssion" that I know you're aiming for. I'm not sure HOW to hit that spot, but that's just my thought on it. If I can explain better later I will try to do so. Last edited by HeeroTX on Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:00 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Rain`
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Hello Roy, just finished watching episode two (2) of AnimeTV. Overall, I thought the episode was fairly good; somewhat sketchy here and there, but indeed original. Moreover, I find the new segment "Made In Japan" overly emphasized; yet enough to occupy or "entertain" the average joe. Also, I feel the show's content is roughly limited and confined; though I feel it will broaden the gap as the show progresses. It would also be nice to see Johnny participate more in the anime conversations; since he does play an ideal role (VO) in the anime industry. All in all, I would rate this episode a 6 / 10 regarding performance and creativity; looking foward to more.
-Rain` |
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HeeroTX
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I realized one of the central issues that I (meaning me personally, maybe not others) have with AnimeTv, it ISN'T targetted to me. Before you try to explain how it is, let me say what I mean by that. Basically you guys have a show about anime fans reviewing anime, the PROBLEM is so far you guys aren't doing anything (for lack of a better word) "useful", you are reviewing 2 (and Naruto will make 3) shows FANS have already seen.
Haruhi, I'll grant is the current "hot" title and people ARE interested in the dub for it, but otherwise the review of that provided little of interest and the "problems" argued were fairly trivial (IMO). thus people who have seen it were either going to agree or disagree, and people who haven't seen it wouldn't be much closer to a decision after the episode (but I could be wrong on that). Champloo is even worse, because as a CN show, everyone HAS seen it and has SOME sort of opinion on it, so it comes off as an INCREDIBLY condescending show trying to portray you guys as the "experts" of all things anime who can tell us what we do and don't like. (I realize this is not the INTENT, again, it's how it comes across, IMO) Reviewing Naruto is going to be more of the same, it'll be "This show is great" or "This show is terrible" or possibly "This show is ok, in that DBZ kinda way" but either way, it doesn't really add anything to the fans. Fans already (for the most part) have made up their mind about this show WHY "review" it? This show could SHINE reviewing something like Princess Tutu which fans love but hasn't lit up the chart in sales, or Project A-ko, which is a classic not as in tune with "todays" fan. What about new shows in Japan like Flag or titles people might actually be CURIOUS about like Speed Grapher? Basically, the show is coming off as a corporate creation with a bunch of "hired guns" because you're just telling us what seems like canned opinions about a show plucked off of a google list from an "anime" search. At minimum, if they won't "let" you guys review things besides the shows everyone knows anyway, why not buffer your fan "cred" by comparing Champloo to other shows, like Peacemaker Kurogane or Samurai 7? At minimum, this provides fans with other avenues to explore, like "Hey, I liked X, maybe I should check into Y" Instead of "hey, they like Champloo, *I* like Champloo, I R anime fan!!!" Anyway, just a thought, I dunno how much "creative" input you have in the show, best of luck in the future. |
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madpierrot
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This show should be put to rest already. I mean pulling Samurai Champloo out, couldn't they go more recent. It's already been out for about two and a half years and on DVD for over a year, but I guess we have to hear them praise another Bang Zoom dub and the show some more. I mean the fact that most of them were saying that this goes down in anime history as an all time great, give me a break. The debate still wasn't that good since it was basically just listening to them slurp up how great Champloo is and that one girl still won't stop talking all the time.
The dumbest part though was that top 5 list. Ummm... Berserk a historical anime, does the fact that Berserk isn't a historical anime kind mean it shouldn't be on that list? Not to mention FMA, I'm confused by what exactly these people considered historical since it seems like they are totally just making up a genre here. Another reason why the fan reviewers are so bad and there's just zero credibility if stuff like this slips through. I'm really curious to hear some kind of response to this. The "made in japan" thing was pretty dumb too. Just make a sterotypical Japanese "otaku", have him talk about a show that aired a few months ago and that's it. I liked Welcome to the NHK, but I wouldn't want to watch it if that's what I saw. At least this episode was abotu 17 minutes compared to 15 so that's a step in the right direction I guess. Lastly like last week the fan reviews are probably the dumbest thing and should be gotten rid of all together. The process to become one is dumb and like I mentioned before way to many people who shouldn't even be anywhere near writing about anime are. |
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LostOne
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Heero, you truly are my Hero man, thanks for you input. And Rain, with rain like that, you can rain on my parade anyday... yeah that was a little corny.
And Dude I understand your words, but I dont think and I hope that this show won't be put to rest for awhile, not until its job is done at least. I hope I can make you less mad and more Pierrot with this post. I understand what you said about the credibility angle, it is rather hard for us to do so without a hardline contact with the fans. I can only give you my word that we do have a deep knowledge on Anime and the like. You can check our myspaces, even drop us a line if you want to chat. I beleive Jonathan is on ANN forums as well. I was actually recruited into the cast at Animagic, not sure about the "Hired Guns" bit, especially since there are some shows here that I do pan that are done by BangZoom... you will see more of that later. And it is even harder when you see the top Five. Personally I think Astro Boy should've made it... I mean sure it takes place a year in the past... but history is history right? We picked the historical anime that showed up frequently on all our lists. Full Metal Alchemist is considered historic, because it takes place in the past of course, and thats the sideline idea that most of us had. Anime that had Historical figureplacing, not neccessarily on a beleivable earth. We didn't have much Outline, but the top five I actually approve of. Miyazaki was on our list last week because we all have a soft side for that man, so he got there. Same with this list. It has our personal Bias, and it came from what we beleived. Like Jonathan said, it all went through a third person. I agree Champloo isn't recent, we chose to review the popular Anime for mixed reasons, I can't say which, but it makes sense to me to showcase Anime that is still creating lots of buzz in America. We may not be for the die hardest of fans. But we are here to get people curious about anime into anime. We do compare the Anime to others, more often than not actually, but by doing that, it really does shift the focus from one show to the other, which happens alot when you talk with your friends about things. At least that is how it is for us. We dont talk over each other nearly as much, and there are going to be some of us you Hate and some of us you like (Please Dont hate me). We lampoon that idea of the Otaku because we know there aren't Otaku like that... for the most part anyway, and it gives everyone a little something to laugh at. I apologize if you hate this show, but this show is here because of fans. It was created by fans, and I will stand by that. One thing can be certain, that people send in their reviews because they beleive in the show, they beleive in their opinion, and it is heard. The Love it or Hate it is vital because it shows different viewpoints, that is how it works. And it is true, I do not have creative input, you do. I can't do anything more than let you guys talk about it, and they listen. The praise fuels us, and the rest motivates us to make the best show we can period. I appreciate your Cander Mad Pierrot, same to you Rain, and you Heero. All I can say is that if you are still on the fence about us, then stick around a little longer and see Episode three. Third time is the charm right? Keep Posting, I will catch ya'll in a little bit. |
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madpierrot
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First I should say thanks because well I was a jerk in my post and you were really nice. I just need to respond to the top 5 though. I mean by definition Berserk and FMA are not historical animes. They do not take place anytime in our history and don't use actual history as an important part of their stories. Both take place in a made up fantasy world. FMA does have like 3/4 episodes that partly take place in England in the 19teens, but still it's not historical. I mean even ANN which lists waayy to many genres to begin with doesn't even classify them as historical. |
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HeeroTX
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Thanks for the words LostOne, sounds like this is it for me, let me know when you guys are MAKING shows again (ie. making new episodes AFTER having gotten criticism) rather than showing episodes already shot. Basically, until then I agree that the show is probably not for me.
No offense to YOU, but then whoever is in charge of this show is stupid IMO. I fully understand not targetting the "die hardest of fans" (since we/they are a relatively small group), but targetting people "curious about anime" is a mistake, since how many of THEM are going to look for a webcast show ABOUT anime? (ie. if they're not already watching anime, why would they watch people talking about anime?) And if you're trying a format that will appeal to fans and non-fans, then AnimeTv may prove the adage: If you chase two rabbits, you catch none (To reiterate, I have no problem with any of the PEOPLE in episode two, you seem like nice enough people, the show is just not a good show to me, as a relatively hardcore anime fan) |
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LostOne
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My comment was in lue from your point of view of not being Targeted. I cannot say I know what our creators really wanted, but I can say they are not stupid... of course we all did get outsmarted by chimp on the first day of shooting...
Yea... we took care of him... best dinner ever... Back to the point, I said it from your perspective, and from what I have read and heard, both Die Hards and newbies like the show. I can understand your position, and if I could convince you to see episode three (Most Series usually stablize by episode 3) I would urge that last bit of hope for us Heero and to anyone thinking the way you are right now. Mad, FMA does use some Historical referrence even to the slightest degree its still there, and it was enough for at least me to make that hard choice. And You weren't a Jerk dude, You are a fan, I would be the same way most likely. So dont sweat it, you haven't said or done anything that I wouldn't do if I had felt that way as well. |
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Murasakisuishou
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I hate to nitpick, but Fullmetal Alchemist can hardly be described as "historic' by any stretch of the imagination. If it were set in this dimension, maybe. If the concepts it revolved around were physically possible, maybe. Heck, if it could even decide what time period it was in to begin with, maybe. I could see the movie being *slightly* historical, but it seems like for the top five you went with any popular anime that, despite other supernatural or whatever elements, was set in a time period with technology less than our own. I agree, the top 5 thing really doesn't make much sense at all and should be scrapped. I like the overall idea of the show, don't get me wrong; it just seems like it needs a lot more work and organization. Like HeeroTX said, most of the shows you guys are mention are shows that the fans have already made up their minds about, and it all comes off as one big promotional stint. At least try taking a look at some shows that either haven't been out for too long or that are relatively unknown in the fandom; I think the show has a lot of potential to open fans up to things they might normally overlook. Best of luck to you all. I'll keep watching! |
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Rain`
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The pleasure is mine, and thank you for your input as well. To be quite frank, I had no expectations that were to be met when viewing this show. Since you distinctly clarified in your first post that this show was made on behalf of the fans, for the fans. So with that being said, this sort of trend usually resorts to mainstream fandom that depend on creativity, or the like. I do believe that the show itself carries very little substance after evaluating the first two episodes of AnimeTV; but like I previously noted in my first post, I do believe it will widen the reservation gap as the show progresses.
You needn't label people so hastily; when the show itself, only broadcasted merely two episodes. Moreover, I believe their intention was not to "target" one specific group or people, but more of the vast majority of people who are associated with anime or who are familiar with the term, just like any other particular media. Also, you'd be surprise how many people who would be inclined to watch such shows, since of course, this is the internet. -Rain` |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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This is disingenuous. AnimeTV is a production of Bang Zoom, a company whose primary function is to dub anime. This show was "created by fans" in the same way that the people who program Windows Vista are "software enthusiasts". Eric Sherman might consider himself an "anime fan" but to say that any of his projects are done just for the "love" of it isn't something you're going to convince anyone of. |
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Rain`
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Disingenuous? Not at all. Although AnimeTV may be the production of Bang Zoom; the ATV crew's intentions and goals falls into two subjective categories, business, and simply fandom. I literally believe the show was made to help promote anime in general, and to discuss and review on current anime titles, since frankly, fans these days seem to restrict themselves in favored subgenres. Also, to sit down, and discuss anime. Simple. As for Eric Sherman; I know very little of him, other then, he's currently the ADR director of Bang Zoom, correct me if I'm wrong. Even so, his personal preference has little relation to AnimeTV, critique wise. -Rain` |
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JediJaina
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He's the president and co-founder of Bang Zoom Entertainment as well. ------------------------------ I was so happy that Rurouni Kenshin was the #1 historical anime and rightfully so (no disrespect to Grave of the Fireflies, but I think movies should be a separate anime category). I'm a history buff so it appeals to me in that sense as well as having a great storyline (Kyoto arc in particular). BZ's Kenshin dub is one of my all time favorites. I've been a fan of Richard's voice ever since. I still think the show should be longer (especially since it comes out only every two weeks). Only focusing on one anime during the show can get a little tedious after a while, but that could be improved if you could make recommendations such as if you like this anime...also check out this anime. I loved the Otaku guy! That NHK segment was so entertaining! I really would love to see other VA's on the show and hope that is in consideration for the future. Last edited by JediJaina on Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:00 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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