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KyuuA4



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:51 pm Reply with quote
jgreen wrote:
subforry wrote:
Also do Japanese students really change shoes when they get to school?


It's customary in many Asian countries to remove ones shoes while indoors and change into slippers. There's an interesting article about it here. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me to do this when entering a large, public building like a school, but hey....


In fact, it's quite offensive walking into a person's house with shoes on. Just think of the dirt and other material brought from outside into the home. Not a nice thing.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:14 pm Reply with quote
bonbonsrus wrote:
Here is a question about a symbol I am not sure where it came from...the blue 9 symbol (or 6 I suppose) seen in several animes ~Blue Seed, I saw it in disk 4 of Maburaho, I have seen it as the stone spirit of past fighters in Ikki Tousen and many others it's in... point is, I have seen this in different animes and have never seen an american equivilant.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:39 pm Reply with quote
KyuuA4 wrote:
In fact, it's quite offensive walking into a person's house with shoes on. Just think of the dirt and other material brought from outside into the home. Not a nice thing.


Some of the younger fans around here probably won't remember these days, but there was a time when English dub companies would throw tons of profanity into dub dialogue to make them more "serious" or "adult." This combined with the shoe thing for this exchange from Manga's release of Devilman, one of my favorite examples of needless profanity.

[Akira and dude enter rundown building]
Akira: "Sh--should I take off my shoes?"
Dude: "I don't give a $#!+."

He practically shouted the profanity compared to the words around it....pretty damn funny.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:23 pm Reply with quote
Asako,
yes, that most definatly answered my question.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:45 am Reply with quote
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Next up, what is with the symbolism of a single drop of water into a still body of water. It seems like this is used at many different times, and symbolizes completely opposite ideas. One interpretation is a single drop causing ripples across the whole pond (a small thing making a big change). Another interpretation is that the drop is just another drop in the bucket (something is insignificant when compared to all the other things).

The drop in the pond visual has nice duality, but it seems to be the go to imagery. I can’t help but think the people creating the show are thinking, “Hey, if use that stock footage of a drop falling into a pond, that will be 64 less frames needed.” Any Thoughts on drop in a pond visual?

Thanks.
It would be helpful o know what specific series/movie you're talking about, it seems to me, whatever it's from, that this is supposed to be an example of Chaos Theory, where one small thing can change the course of the whole big picture.
Unfortunately, it would take waaay too long to list what series those visuals come from, because I've seen that same motif many, many times. Some that come to mind right now are Negima!, Revolutionary Girl Utena and Excel Saga (see episode 23), but really, it shows up everywhere. It was cool the first few dozen times I saw it, but it's kind of a cliche at this point. If I had to guess, I'd say it has something to do with Zen teachings...don't they have something to say about ripples on ponds?
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Adam Kadmon



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:21 am Reply with quote
How about this symbol, you see it in animation all the time, and in at least one book i've read (lord of the flies anyone?)

A glasses wearing character, adjusting his or her specs on their nose, light shines on their lenses so you can no longer see thier eyes, now ready to indulge in either a moment of seriousness, mystery, wisdom or anything breaking away from the norm. Either way you know "okay, something is about to happen here". There are so many examples, popular ones include Triguns' Vash, Ishida from bleach, jin from champloo and kabuto from naruto (yes it rhymes)

I just think that gesture is quite cool, finger to thebridge of the nose, adjust specs, light replaces eye, then boom, your ready for the world.

..Of course you'd look like a total moron if you try anything so 'fictionally friendly" in real life. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:32 am Reply with quote
Adam Kadmon wrote:
How about this symbol, you see it in animation all the time, and in at least one book i've read (lord of the flies anyone?)

A glasses wearing character, adjusting his or her specs on their nose, light shines on their lenses so you can no longer see thier eyes, now ready to indulge in either a moment of seriousness, mystery, wisdom or anything breaking away from the norm. Either way you know "okay, something is about to happen here". There are so many examples, popular ones include Triguns' Vash, Ishida from bleach, jin from champloo and kabuto from naruto (yes it rhymes)

I just think that gesture is quite cool, finger to thebridge of the nose, adjust specs, light replaces eye, then boom, your ready for the world.

..Of course you'd look like a total moron if you try anything so 'fictionally friendly" in real life. Rolling Eyes


yeah I think it's just a way for them to act cool.. Generally, guys who wear eye glasses aren't cool at all and are usually nerds or geeks.. Last night I just saw this happen in Law of Ueki.. For a while he was cool then when the "glass glimmer" went away Kilnorton (?) was back to the way he was.. uncool


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Adam Kadmon



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:36 am Reply with quote
Laughing Sounds amusing (must check out this Law of Ueki)

arw so it's possibly just a way to give those poor spectacled character a rare chance to shine. How so very touching.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:17 pm Reply with quote
Aside from deep theories (they are all really good btw!), consider the changing of shoes a just a visual transition from one scene to another. Character is going to go somewhere / puts on shoes, taps for snugness / scene outside or new location.
It's a smooth way of inferring a person is going somewhere or just arrived.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:53 pm Reply with quote
Zalis116 wrote:
BrothersElric wrote:
subforry wrote:
Next up, what is with the symbolism of a single drop of water into a still body of water. It seems like this is used at many different times, and symbolizes completely opposite ideas. One interpretation is a single drop causing ripples across the whole pond (a small thing making a big change). Another interpretation is that the drop is just another drop in the bucket (something is insignificant when compared to all the other things).

The drop in the pond visual has nice duality, but it seems to be the go to imagery. I can’t help but think the people creating the show are thinking, “Hey, if use that stock footage of a drop falling into a pond, that will be 64 less frames needed.” Any Thoughts on drop in a pond visual?

Thanks.
It would be helpful o know what specific series/movie you're talking about, it seems to me, whatever it's from, that this is supposed to be an example of Chaos Theory, where one small thing can change the course of the whole big picture.
Unfortunately, it would take waaay too long to list what series those visuals come from, because I've seen that same motif many, many times. Some that come to mind right now are Negima!, Revolutionary Girl Utena and Excel Saga (see episode 23), but really, it shows up everywhere. It was cool the first few dozen times I saw it, but it's kind of a cliche at this point. If I had to guess, I'd say it has something to do with Zen teachings...don't they have something to say about ripples on ponds?


Now that I think about it, I have seen it many times before, I just can't think of one specifically right now. But yeah, it could also have something to do with Zen teachings, like you said. I can't remember exactly what the specific teaching is, but I'm pretty sure that it's in there. I'd have to ask my dad. He knows all about eastern philosophy. I think it still might have something to do with the whole "one small thing effecting everything" theory.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:34 pm Reply with quote
On the drop in the pool: Well I have seen it many times, but the only one that comes to mind is in Ninja Nonsense where Shinobu is going to pull Onsokumaru out of the crocodile. I know here it is just spoof on other anime.

I like the point about the blood or water. I will be looking for this detail.

As for shoes, I don't like to wear them indoors, but then again I don't like wearing shoes at all. I have a very funny hybrid version of wearing shoes in the house. In the morning I take my shoes from the bedroom to the living room and put them on and go to work. When I get home I got straight to the bedroom and take them off. If I go outside later, I will wear another pair of shoes that are always outside and are removed before I enter my house.

As for the glasses, I have very good vision, but I do have glasses. I got them for anti glare coating. I wore them regularly when I used to get my daily radiation from a big CRT at work. Now I have a LCD and don’t wear them except as a prop. Too bad I can’t use them to hide my eyes in a sheen of light because of the anti glare coating. So I guess then sheen off the glasses just means they didn't spring for the anti glare coating.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:14 pm Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
. But it occurs to me that perhaps it is because of this, Japanese people have very little practical experience with Christianity, therefore Christian references/mythology/symbols/etc seem unusual to them and get a reaction more like the way we view Greek/Norse/etc mythology.

That's what I've always thought. It would also seem more convenient to them; since most people in Japan won't get the christian symbolism, they likely don't feel the need to research the subject. The confusion such usage of christian symbolism causes over here can get interesting, too.
Ramadahl wrote:
I seem to remember an article with the Eva creators (can't find it now though...), who specifically stated that the whole christian mythology thing was just to make it look cool and mysterious.

I remember hearing that as well, which would make perfect sense, seeing as how difficult it is to interpret Evangelion's symbolism within the context of christian scripture.
I also recall reading somewhere that Abe stated in an interview that Haibane wasn't supposed to have any christian symbolism, or something along those lines.

Also, I wonder how much the producers of FMA knew of hermetism and alchemy. From what I've seen of the show (the first season), it has nothing to do with alchemy; except that we see a few major hermetic and alchemical symbols (ouroboros, caduceus, seal of solomon), so that leads me to believe that they knew at least a tiny bit about alchemy.
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Actually, a ripple in a pond was originally a symbol to meditate about in Buddhism. It not only means that a small thing can bring about a big change, but also that one person's ideals branch out and affect others, what I like to call "flock psychology", also mob psychology. One person expresses their views and everyone feels the same way. Polititians use mob psychology to get the vote. I don't think that anyone should be in a group, because:
One, people are easier to control in a large group, and:
Two, no one in that group will have the same ideas as you.
This is a little off topic, but I feel it needed to be expressed.

The shoe thing is actually a way of respecting the house and those in it. You would look pretty stupid in Japan if you walked into your own house without changing your shoes. As for the tapping thing, it has several uses (most of the above named included).

The blood is in fact supposed to be very bad in large quantites. However, in one of the very first Naruto episodes, (the very first mission after they are attacked by very high level ninja with poison claws)Naruto uses a kunai to make a cut deeper so as to make a blood oath, which helps him to no longer freeze up. Also blood has a very good value in that it carries heritage, and therefore your family name. In a certain flashback Sasuke has, he remembers his brother killing his entire family. There was bllod literally everywhere to symbolize two things:
One; that day was a very evil one and;
Two; to show that Itachi was no longer a respectable part of the Uchiha clan (hence the loss of heritage)

[EDIT: Please use the Edit button next time instead of making 3 consecutive posts. Thanks. -TK]
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:45 pm Reply with quote
Another thing I have noticed (I thought it should go in this thread) as being a prevalent symbol of sorts is that there seems to be a lot of stock put into a person's eyes as being an important judge of their character at times. I know this also extends to other genres, but the color or "depth" of a person's eyes seems to determine a lot about what that person is. Examples can be seen in Naruto (obvious there, as you can see that everywhere), references to "you have ____ eyes" in many other anime (strong, hopeful, etc.), and in other series such as Princess Tutu where spoiler[Mytho's eye color seems to change in some detail depending on his mood and state; his eyes become a bit more "deep" as he gains more of his feelings back, and his eyes drastically change in both form and color when he is "dyed with the raven's blood."] Of course, I suppose this could be a part of the nuances of animation itself, as in a slightly more limited medium you have to turn to other methods to express the qualities of a person and their state of mind. Still, it seems that eyes have a lot more focus in anime, especially in shounen. Though it seems the difference is slightly more stylistic in shoujo drawing, this also brings the question as to the purpose and meaning behind those eyes.
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If you compare the eyes of good and bad characters you'll often see that the good characters have bigger, more expressive eyes than the bad (e.g. compare Eclair with Alv). Women also tend to have bigger eyes tan men (compare Chii with Hideki for example)
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