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CrowLia
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Dunno, maybe if they kill the emperor their own Aldnoah powers would disappear. I honestly feel this series is a giant messy pile of plot contrivances going through a check-list of mecha anime tropes, so I've long stopped giving it much thought.
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Key
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Agreed with this interpretation. Also agreed with dtm42 that the logic on how Aldnoah works is shaky in how it's been explained so far. Perhaps granted Aldnoah activation ability is still beholden to that of the Royal Family member who granted it to them? (Somewhat like how vampirism works in the Anne Rice novels; kill the progenitor and all the vampires directly or indirectly created from her die.) |
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One-Eye
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Its possible that the Royal family has the power to give others the ability to activate the drives and that's all they get. So if the royal family dies there's no one who can give the ability to future Orbital Knights and once the current ability holders (Knights) are gone then there will be no way to activate the drives in the future. The renegades may not care about that because their goal is the resources of the earth. Destroy the population, take the planet and then deal with the Emperor. But yea, I agree with you there's a lot of messy stuff and I'm not completely sure what's what at times. Free-Falling in with mechs looked cool though. |
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ChibiKangaroo
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I think it was made pretty clear in one of the early episodes that the Emperor "blessed" his followers with the aldnoah power when they pledged allegiance to him. Yes, it is completely goofy as a plot device, since it makes this aldnoah power that much more magical in nature, but that was what he seemed to be doing. I think any knight, and probably any soldier who has received that blessing, can activate aldnoah drives.
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dtm42
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I remember that bit. The way I interpreted it (especially at the time) was that he "blessed" them by giving his loyal followers aldnoah-powered machines and weapons and then activated those machines himself. Not that he actually gave the knights his activation ability.
I still don't understand how that transfer ability would even work. Plus even if it were true, there's no need to keep the emperor around. Saazbaum could have just captured the princess at the start of the show, take some of her eggs (or just rape her), and then build himself a new royal line that has the aldnoah-granting ability. Last edited by dtm42 on Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:54 am; edited 1 time in total |
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FenixFiesta
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I assume you mean Sauzbaum because Cruhteo had been painted off to be very loyal to the royal family. |
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dtm42
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Thanks for catching that. I've edited my posts accordingly. |
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Cptn_Taylor
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The Knights cannot activate Aldnoah by bypassing the Emperor. It's made clear that the Emperor somehow gives the Knight the ability to activate "their" specific Aldnoah and no one else's. So one Knight cannot for example kill another one and take his Aldnoah. It doesn't work that way.
We don't know how the trasfer of "power" works. It is never detailed in the anime. But clearly such a mechanism exists because the Knights can use Aldnoah.
No it's not messy at all. Crystal clear if you pay attention. This is one anime that doesn't spoon feed you. You need to pay attention and infer some things from context and dialog. Maybe that's why most people hate this anime, so used are they to infodumping. |
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CrowLia
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But then why would Saaz bother stealing Cruhteo's Kat if he can't activate it? Saaz himself said the Kat was wasted on Cruhteo, implying he would use it better
But you yourself have said that the details of this problematic transferral of power are not really laid out and we're left guessing how it works. Also, this anime suffers from many sins, and infodumping is definitely one of them, so don't act like it's all subtleties and "you need to pay attention". Half of the show has been infodumps |
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DuskyPredator
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Episode 11
Really intense episode, the music sounds great. To give some answers to some confusions. What I gathered about the ability to use Aldnoah drives is that royals have the ability to activate them by birthright, and the emperor can also lend the power out to other people who have a limited ability to power up certain devices, the castle and their personal mech. Why is the princess blaming herself? Because if she did not come none of it would have happened, it does not matter if the intent was the other party. I really do not see how that is hard to understand. And Rayet. Well clearly people had more things on her mind than her. People knew she would help them, and she is actually pretty skilled. |
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Blood-
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Is this going to be a split cours show? Both ANN and MAL are showing this as a 12 episode run. Anyway, good action. I enjoyed the eppie save a few things that have already been mentioned: i.e. Princess "It's All My Fault" and her ridiculous attitude. |
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Cptn_Taylor
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As a war prize ? To show Slaine that his former master is truly six feet under ?
Some people want explanations for everything. They can't accept the premises of the show without "show me how it works otherwise it doesn't make sense". I accept the premises of the show and from there you deduce the consequences. I really do not care how the transfer of power works, only that it is one of the premises of this anime. Take it from here and run with it. |
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ChibiKangaroo
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For him to go to the trouble to capture Cruhteo's mech and bring it back to his landing castle just to show it to Slaine would be utterly stupid. (Although, I'm not one to accuse this show of being particularly smart with it's writing.) It would be just about as stupid, if not more, than Saaz shooting Slaine's handcuffs to remove them rather than just using the key. Why would Slaine even care if Cruhteo is dead or alive? Cruhteo was an unabashed racist who beat Slaine with a cane routinely for not acting like a proper "dog" and tortured him ruthlessly, threatening to kill him simply because he went on a mission to find the princess. We haven't seen any evidence at all saying that a knight is limited as to which aldnoah drives they can activate. All that we have seen is that the emperor gave them power to use aldnoah. That is the only thing we've been told. Therefore, one can assume that they can activate any aldnoah drive unless we are told otherwise at some point. |
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DuskyPredator
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But dialogue seems to encourage the idea that there is a limit. |
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ChibiKangaroo
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What dialogue? I haven't seen any dialogue indicating or encouraging such an idea. The only additional information we've gotten from dialogue is that a knight dying has the same effect as a royal dying, as far as turning off any aldnoah device they activated. If anything, this indicates that a knight's activation powers are similar to the royals. We've also been told by the princess that a royal can forcefully deactivate a knights activation power. So again, it seems like the knights and royals have similar powers but the royal just has a trump card version. |
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