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spikespiegel98



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 9:56 pm Reply with quote
for example, there is shinji from eva, amuro from gundam(although i don't think he is that much of an outcast, i have seen a few magazines/websites say that he is. They say that he is more interested in machines than people.). Also, there are leo stenbuck and cage from zone of the enders(anime influenced video game). I'm not saying that the series are bad or anything. in fact i really like eva and gundam. I've just been wondering about this for a while...
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littlegreenwolf



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 10:06 pm Reply with quote
because a majority of fanboys are just that, and that's their targeted audience.
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Burner



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 10:09 pm Reply with quote
littlegreenwolf wrote:
because a majority of fanboys are just that, and that's their targeted audience.


I'm an outcast?! NNNOOO!!!! can't I just be a loner or hermit?
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Samurai CDZ



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 10:21 pm Reply with quote
littlegreenwolf wrote:
because a majority of fanboys are just that, and that's their targeted audience.


Yes, and one day I will save the world, too. Razz




I will...
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Burner



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 10:46 pm Reply with quote
Samurai CDZ wrote:


Yes, and one day I will save the world, too. Razz

I will...


How about I am the first person they try this huge robot technology out on but the system they use drives me mad and you have to save the world from me? I always like being the bad guy.
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H-man



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:25 pm Reply with quote
Prior to "Mobile Suit Gundam", beginning with 1972's "Mazinger Z" the robot pilots were generally handsome, straight arrow, "go get `em" types and consequently pretty one dimensional. But starting with Amuro Ray the shows moved towards those "outcast" and "reluctant" robot pilots. Chirico Cuvie of 1983's "Armored Trooper VOTOMS" expanded upon that formula, presenting a quiet but deadly coldness to the anti-social persona. But both Amuro and Chirico in the end were "heroes" and had redeeming qualities that made them admirable by show's end. But Shinji Ikari of "Neon Genesis Evangelion" presented the next "evolution" of the character, delving even deeper into the character's psychosis than ever before and generally creating a hero that many people couldn't identify with much alone like.
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spikespiegel98



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:49 pm Reply with quote
littlegreenwolf wrote:
because a majority of fanboys are just that, and that's their targeted audience.


So, does that mean thay many people who watch mecha anime are outcasts?
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littlegreenwolf



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:57 pm Reply with quote
spikespiegel98 wrote:
littlegreenwolf wrote:
because a majority of fanboys are just that, and that's their targeted audience.


So, does that mean thay many people who watch mecha anime are outcasts?


I think it's safe to say so. I and eveyone else I know who like anime are the outcast to our society. We're special. *wonders how many outcast girls are the hero... *will just call Utena one, even if she was popular*
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Godaistudios



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 5:38 am Reply with quote
I dunno. Maybe they are outcasts because they are young rookies? Wink
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BakaNekoDain



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:30 pm Reply with quote
Well it makes for an iteresting story its like, they stand alone. Strong individuals (err not shinji), mavericks opposing evil! I know i'd preffer something closer to FMP if i were a mech pilot, strong ties with my fellow soldiers and whatnot. However the stories for young outcast mech pilots tend to follow the same suit. In ZOE : Idolo, Lavans was a fanatic a very focused individual, so in his case being too fanatical made him an outcast accept for the one person who loved him. They all have an achille's heal that brings about great tragedy, on a personal or global scale.
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Aromatic Grass



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:44 pm Reply with quote
The more experienced want to feel better about themselves and their skills.
And it's kind of funny when the rookies beat them! Wink
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Abyss



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 2:06 pm Reply with quote
It also adds to the growth of a character. If the character starts off as the big hot-shot, then where does he have to go? The young rookie outcast type has alot more room the grow and that makes for a better story. Besides, hot-shots make better rivals and villians then hero's.
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[-Murder-]



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 3:18 pm Reply with quote
I personally think that the young rookie pilots are outcasts simply because of the pressures placed upon them. It seems like when you have to protect so many lives, you might draw back from people and rely (or try to) only on yourself. You may be an outcast because no one can understand your pressure and how it effects you (shinji seems similar to this), or maybe you have such a serious job, people can't think of you as "normal" and maybe it's just hard to have idle conversation... ha... you never know. That's just sorta why I believe it may happen. Wink
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Dave M



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 6:04 pm Reply with quote
Because they are the only ones sucker enough to pilot a deathrap like a mecha when there is such a effective variety of antiaircraft and antitank weapon systems that would give them a battlefield lifespan that wouldn't even match a WWI pilot?

whoops.. sorry...

I suspect the H-man explanation is more accurate.

Although the idea of using mecha on any scale resembling anime as a manned combat system seems sorta suicidal. unmanned maybe it has a chance.
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Bruce Lee



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 7:39 pm Reply with quote
A lot of them are. But, I think that the outcast-rookie-hotshot is a standard character type - not just in Anime, but everywhere in the world.
Ever see a little flick called Top Gun? Yes, it starred a little known American actor named Tom Cruise as an outcast-rookie-hotshot young pilot named Maverick. And a few years before that, there was this small movie called Star Wars with guess what? A outcast-rookie-hotshot young jedi named Luke Skywalker.
It all goes back to the underdog. Everybody roots for the little guy. If the creaters of an anime/movie/story/book can make an endearing character with an edge, audiences just crumble.
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