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Juno016
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I've only finished arc 6 in the light novels (I don't read the web novel), meaning I'm not much further than the anime (which is currently starting arc 6), but from my understanding, the whole "Subaru had several loops before awakening in Luginica" idea is a long-time fan-theory as well. One I came to on my own during this arc, in fact, before I found out it was already a popular idea in the broader fandom. That said, I never made the connection with Julius's spirits... huh. Really insightful!
There's also another theory that I can't help but consider to be practically confirmed by the end of arc 6 that I've had since arc 3 (season 1 of the anime). The anime added to my thoughts on it as well, and so did the Isekai Quartet movie (because Tappei can't help but throw foreshadowing into everything). It would tie somewhat nicely with the previous theory. =) |
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Greed1914
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I hadn't thought of it until now, but it seems to make sense. If the spirits can tell they are contracted, and can tell they can't leave, but have no idea why, then it would make sense that Subaru's main ability might be something similar. The other thing lending to that is that his resets are not consistently the same distance from a death. When he gets past one, it resets to a new one that could be days or just minutes before. If he reset to a time that was after losing his memory, then it seems possible he was forced into a timeline where losing that memory is now set in stone like how he is now stuck with those injuries from fighting the archbishops. |
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#aneonfoxtribute
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As a LN reader, I never actually considered that Subaru just forgot what came before. It certainly gives me theory fodder to think upon. The big contradiction is the fact that he transported with his grocery bag, so it would imply that the prior Subaru kept the bag for however long he was there and nothing happened to anything inside, and then he carried the bag with him when he forgot.
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Juno016
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The convenience store bag seems almost too convenient, if you ask me. Chips that would expire if left out? A flip phone that would have run out of battery? Almost like the author wants to lead us off the obvious trail... The only evidence that Subaru existed in this world prior to episode 1 suggests he spoiler[went back to 400 years ago. It is thus possible that current Satella summoned Subaru to the present first, then threw him into the past without his bag. Subaru becomes the sage, befriends the dragon, the sword saint, and the witches, before all the stuff with Satella happens. In the end, after the events of 400 years ago are finished, he has the witch of gluttony erase his memories and he is returned to the present to pick up his bag and stand in the street, to finish what was started.] It's not so convoluted, and still gets to the heart of the theory. =) But again, I'll modify my theory as I read on. In arc 6 (later this season), spoiler[we learn that a memory-erased Subaru can fuse with his previous self, gaining both memories. Thus, it would be the perfect opportunity to use this to give Subaru, and the audience, a flashback to the events of 400 years ago.] |
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#aneonfoxtribute
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Possibly, but idk, it feels maybe too convoluted. I do believe it's something Subaru WOULD do, hold the grocery bag he came with to trick himself as he loses his memory, but I'm not convinced that he would have the means to. spoiler[For Satella to do as you suggest, I would think that she would have planned from the start to have Subaru go forth 400 years and forget everything, but that feels too convoluted to me for Satella to want to do independently, so she intentionally held the grocery bag in stasis. I can't imagine why she would do that.] On the topic of the phone, it WASN'T dead. It couldn't be charged, but it still had a charge, Subaru used it to take pictures of Felt and Rom. spoiler[I would say "I ultimately don't think Subaru is Flugel because Flugel is too much of an evil bastard and Subaru hates him", but that logic doesn't actually hold up considering that Subaru already hates himself when he's being a GOOD person, and we know from the IF's that under certain circumstances, Subaru himself can turn into an evil bastard.] |
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Juno016
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1) I mean, spoiler[Echidna 400 years ago wrote the gospels that tell their readers what to do, including the most arbitrary things, to reach their goals. Despite Echidna's dislike of Satella, those gospels are often described as being held by those who worship the witch of envy.] 2) That's what I was saying. The charged phone could be a deliberate red herring to make us doubt such a theory (that many people are coming to on their own). 3) Correct. In arc 6, Subaru spoiler[consistently gets a headache, because Flugel's tests seem unfairly designed to Subaru's personal interests and circumstances, and Subaru is really annoyed that someone would do the sorts of dumb things he would.] But also, in the Isekai Quartet movie, spoiler[Alec Hoshin, who was a tagalong with the sage, the dragon, and the sword saint, speaks as though he knows Subaru and Emilia, saying they've grown some since he last saw them. If they're Flugel and Satella, this makes sense. Of course, the author is adamant that Emilia isn't Satella, but I assume she's a look-alike because she's probably a part of Satellaーone that is needed to free Satella, hence why Pandora went after her.] |
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Bern73
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What I particularly like about the miasma isn't that it's creating problems, but removing the more rational parts of their personality of not just Subaru but Ram as well, and probably even Foxidna as well. Obviously Ram does have a concern deep down that Subaru might not be as 100% devoted to Rem as she wants him to be, but another part of her also realizes that that doesn't mean Subaru treasures her any less. Subaru does feel the sting of Ram's retorts, but also knows her well enough that he knows there isn't any actual malice behind it ("We won't be helping you if you get in trouble" and then immediately jumps in to save him when he gets in trouble).
Subaru bringing up Freud specifically also foreshadows this predicament (which is funny because he mentioned Kongming in the LN) |
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BaronViolet
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Even under the insanity affects both said thungs that they have kept deep inside. I don't blame Subaru for lashing out even if he didn't mean it. After all tge crap he has been through the last thing he needs is Ram lecturing him. He is trying to save HER sister after all. Even after S3 the story just wants Subaru to suffer. WTH did he do to deserve this?
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Covnam
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I wonder if the home release will leave out the (presumed) censorship of the scene or if the distorted view was intended to reflect the situation and not actually be a form of censor to tone down the scene and be left in...
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tintor2
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As a fan of psychological horror movies like Perfect Blue I found Subaru's change into a killer amazing but the colors changing before eventual deaths occur kinda ruined the experience. I can't tell if it was supposed to show us whatever is that miasma affecting everybdy or just a censorship as if the timeslot wouldn't let the director show so much gore in a scene.
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Bern73
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If it was meant to be censorship, it was a really poor attempt lol. They showed two characters without a head. Not to mention the gore from last episode. It's just a stylistic choice. Notice how it's timed to the lantern's flame being snuffed out and is only on where there's no source of light on screen. |
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tintor2
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Subaru being Flugel could work but we don't know if that would work as horror or positive twist. The opening video of this season seems to love the trope of Subaru becoming a villain.
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Hellsoldier
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Subaru is, as mentioned before, the japanese name for Pleiades. The Watchtower is named Pleiades as well... interesting.
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Emerje
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The connection between the Pleiades Watch Tower and Subaru is pretty obvious if you know a little about stars. After all, the Subaru and Pleiades star clusters are one and the same (the Pleiades even appears in the Subaru auto logo and they produced that magical girl anime a few years ago). So the idea that Subaru traveled back in time and established all of this and named the tower after himself as a sort of signal to his past self to seek it out makes sense. Granted, going to the tower wasn't his idea, but it must have been what gave him the idea to fly up and check out the slabs from above.
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Blaze_1013
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Another piece of the puzzle that seems to suggest that Subaru is indeed Flugel is when Ram says he has amnesia Shaula goes "again". It certainly would make a lot more sense that things aren't lining up between the two if Flugel didn't remember being Subaru, regardless of if he got to 400 years in the past before the start of the story or at some point during it.
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