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Tony K.
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OK. One more thread for my paper.
The last and final section of my Tech. Writing paper will discuss anime vs. live action productions. Much like anime vs. Western animation, there are some similarities and differences to both sides. But in the case of live action, I feel it's more relavent to argue. A prime example are the Academy Awards, Golden Globes, and all of the great history surrounding film. But after watching so much anime in the last few years (and less live action,) I kind of wonder sometimes if anime can possibly have more advantages over live action. In my paper, all I have outlined right now are, basically, the cost differences and the aspect of physcial limitations. In other words, what anime can do and what live action cannot. So which do you prefer? There are a lot of great titles under both categories, but I think the fact that since anime is animated, the majority of the public who don't watch it might generalize it and get the wrong idea. You know, that whole "oh it's just another cartoon, and cartoons are for kids, so I'm not gonna watch it because I don't watch kid's stuff" kind of mentality. Well, I think you get the picture. Wasn't there a thread about that sort of issue? Anyway, have a go at this argument and play it safe. Thanks in advance. 
Ore wa yakusoku. Kore de saigo da! 
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the_soultaker
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Back then there were far less restrictions in what you can do with anime (In contrast to live action movies.) But now with bigger budgets and CGI effects, Live action movies are playing "catch-up". And of course a good story helps a helluva lot.
Long gone are classic shows like Kamen rider zo,Gu ranger with low budgets, especially when you see trailers of upcoming live action counterparts of anime; Devilman,Cashern and so forth. And regardless of low production costs, there are alot of japanese live action films that has a place in my DVD collection (Hakaider,Battle royal,Junk etc.) It's no doubt that in the land of the rising sun, Anime has the (deserved) respect and huge fanbase of so many. as to live action feature films do in the U.S. and abroad. Now with the marriage of Anime & Live action we (fans,otakus and the casual viewer)will see a fascinating boon to entertainment. 
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animeman51
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One of the best ways to get an understanding of things like the strengths of drawn or animated things is to read Scott Mccloud's Understanding Comics. It is a must read for any fan of comic books, manga or animation.
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Godaistudios
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Hmm... that is a tough question. I'd have to say that I still prefer anime over live action still at this point though. Soultaker is correct in the fact that movies have been playing catch up, and there are a number of movies that are definete pluses to watch. However, with animation and drawing styles, there will always be perspectives, angles and visual effects that you just can't get with live action.
Let's consider Last Exile for a moment. One of the many reasons this series does so well is because of the visual aspects of the series. With anime, you can create environments that fit the characters and the concepts without any real limitation at all. It can also create visual effects that look like they belong. Live action can try to imitate things and has made many advancements over the years. In the end though, it has a much harder time creating the environments to suit the characters without something looking out of place. Just my opinion on things though. |
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the_soultaker
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Another thing i would like to add to this cool topic, would be Anime's influence and impact regarding Hollywood major motion pictures and vice versa. Of course one would mention The Matrix trilogy as a prime example (I.E. bullet time effects,camera angles,pathos and remote simularities to ghost in the shell.) but now we see more often many comic based movies adapting certain parts of anime whether it's Blade 2 or Daredevil (citing the roof-to-roof acrobatic scene as well as Ben affleck mentioning his character's hairstyle being lifted from anime.)
A few anime OVAs have used ideas and scenarios from live action movies such as WICKED CITY (John Carpenter's the Thing) Cyber City Oedo, (Escape from New york) Angel cop & Heat guy J,(Robocop) lily C.A.T. (Alien) and thus forth.(I can also reconize the Italian horror influences in the anime Soultaker.
I for one don't mind the many influneces as long as it doesn't go as far as plagurism. It's complimentary both ways. Soon in the works are Anime based on comics/movies like Hellboy and Escape from new york. HUZZAH!
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Iron Chef
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Okay, absolutely NOTHING should be based on Hellboy. That stupid frickin' movie needs to die a quick death, come out on DVD and be in the $1.99 bin at the Wherehouse before the end of the year. Blech. As for the topic, I prefer animation to live action because I like my entertainment to be as fantastic (i.e. not real) as possible. The only real exception to this rule is "The Shield," one of the finest dramas out there and one of my favorite shows of all time. An animation can break all the laws of physics and it doesn't cost any more to make than an animation that adheres to the laws, which I think gives the behind-the-scenes staff greater flexibility in creating a great story and/or beefing up the visuals. Also, I think that because CG is so easy to produce, live action is slowing going the way of animation anyway. It's hard to find any movie coming out of Hollywood that doesn't have some sort of animation in it, even though they try to make it look as real as possible. |
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CowboyIkari
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Couldn't have put it better nyself |
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kamiboy
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Come on! How can you hate something that has Clockwork nazi assassins and Russian wizards in it? Huh, huh?
I haven't seen this movie but comic book movies are supposed to be kind of stupid and over the top, so you kind of have to forgive them for it. But the regular movies have no excuse for being that way so shame on them.
Not according to my bleeding eyes they don't. |
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Freddy C
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omg, i haven't really seen recent live animes, but god, live animes looking at some pics just look S**T, i mean for me at least they spoil the original anime. maison ikkoku had a live anime, and when i heard about it, i didn't even want to see any npics of it because i learnt from experience that live anime, though few are good-ish, most are just well, quite cheap looking. those that arent cheap looking, well id perfer other good drama series To be honest
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Tony K.
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I feel Batman, Spider-Man, and X-Men were pretty good, but that's just me.
If you've seen the live action GTO series, you might change your mind. Aside from the live action Onizuka not having blonde hair, the drama (aside from a few scenarios) stays intact and is awesomely performed by Takashi Sorimachi (Onizuka), Nanako Matsushima (Fuyutsuki), and all of the supporting characters. Unfortunately, the movie stunk. 
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the_soultaker
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Sure the hellboy movie didn't live up to my expectations, but I along with my friends enjoyed it. Ron Perlman did a great job portraying the "RED BULL". and the romantic subplot wasn't bad either.
That was another cool thing about the movie. It even had "Snake eyes" doing this and that with the wrist sabers. 
But seriously, The comic has a cult following in Japan (Not to plug, but art-wise, the anime Soultaker is somewhat simular to mike mignola's)thus comes the anime. If you thought HB sucked, I can always sell you my copy of LXG. 
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Freddy C
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yea, you do have a point there GTO live anime looks really good indeed, but id still probably prefer the anime, live action genre will get a better name for itself if they all looks as good as GTO |
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kamiboy
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It is not just you. I absolutely love the first two batman movies because they were directed by one of my favourite directors, Tim Burton. I liked Spiderman very much but I must say that I enjoyed Sam Raimi's Evil dead trilogy a lot more. And I enjoyed the first X-men movie very much. I’m not one of those elitist film snubs that shuns away from movies just because they are stupid or have a silly plot. I even watch some very bad movies just because they are so bad, that they are good. This goes especially for cheap horror movies from the eighties but it could be anything, really. I was a fan of Peter Jackson long before I had even heard about LOTR but not even I could have imagined him getting so many Oscars. |
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icysunset
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I did a paper on the strengths of animation versus liveaction at some point, and although I don't have that with me at the moment I think I remember the main arguments I made.
As others have mentioned an obvious advantage is that anime is cheaper than liveaction. Thus more people can make it and diversity often leads to the best being better, so that's a good thing. Another important point is that animation has all the strengths that a painting has over a photograph. It allows for the director to portray a highly subjective view of reality (this is an expansive strength - you could have all the buildings seem to loom over you, a more angular look, a color scheme, a stylistic look to the people, etc). Relating to this is that all the characters can be custom built so that they best represent what the director wants to express. As others have been saying, if you count computer animation as not part of anime's strengths, but usable by either, than animation loses some strengths. Otherwise the ability to speed up or slow time and create things that don't actually exist would both be major. Regardless, because animation is generally made in layers, you could speed up/slow down part of a scene (one layer) and not the rest of the scene, which would be more difficult even with computer animation for live action. Another more minor strength is the ability to synchronize the action to music more closely if you create the action with the music preexisting. I'm not sure if that's used very often though. |
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Twage
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You're right, but it takes a real artist to use animation that way, and unfortunately there aren't very many out there. Most are piss-poor in this department. At least mainstream anime still goes off-model once in a while, even if it is in cliched ways (chibi, etc). American animation doesn't even do that, even with Duck Dodgers, though some of their character designs have been very good. Why put live action and animation against each other, though? The most exciting current trend in animation is live/animated hybrid films like Lord of the Rings. Motion capture gives you the benefits of a natural, detailed human performance while cgi lets you remove the boundaries from the world. The only issue is that cgi is TIED to the model, which means it's more like puppetry than real animation. So there will definitely still be people going the abstract route and using hand-drawn. |
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