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Catseyetiger
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 1:53 pm |
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Ok, here's is some pure spec, the dog is working for the witch, The main guys been cursed, by said witch, this is where the reek comes from, he was memory wiped meaning he's done this before, pure spec now! It some sort of punishment! No matter how much you struggled it's pointless in the end! Now it's his job to win or lose that challenge! The witch was even kind enough to give him lots of try's! Nothing like a failing struggle! Now he rember say things as the curse was ment, but as has been seen he also knows the pain of every death and it's pure mental load of a struggle! this anime is and has been well animated I just hope it's not rushed to a conclusion due to impatient folks who can't wait!
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HaruhiToy
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 1:53 pm |
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Would I be correct in deducing that whomever is pulling Subaru's strings -- in other words the magic entity that has put him in a time loop -- is actually using him to battle the Jealous Witch?
It has been established that he has the scent of the witch on him but why? Is it the spell that sends him back or is it the spell that is the seed of the curse?
If this the correct theory then it is actually turning out to be an effective strategy. Subaru becomes the wild card that the witch cannot predict because each loop he has learned something that he carries forward and wouldn't know otherwise.
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 2:00 pm |
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HaruhiToy,
My impression is that he's probably an (unwitting) agent for the Witch. I *suspect* that the Witch isn't exactly how everyone thinks she is, but I could easily be wrong on that one.
We still know almost nothing about what, exactly, constitutes a "pass" rating that allows the reset point to be advanced. It is pretty obvious that someone wants to set up a specific scenario and is using Subaru to bring it about. Even if it isn't the Witch herself doing this, it is an interesting coincidence that Subaru's magic type is the same as the Witch's: Shadow. And that when Subaru had it used on him, it... wasn't pleasant for him.
I'm guessing many of these questions will be answered before *too* much longer, but some may remain unanswered for a long time.
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myskaros
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 2:58 pm |
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Anyone else completely incensed with the lazy translation work that is "mabeasts"? Seriously, why call Satella a witch when you could just call her a "magirl". When you're pointlessly adding on prefixes that serve nigh zero purpose, just say "beasts" or "monsters." They're summoned by the witch or shaman anyway, and we can see them animated, so trust that your audience doesn't need a silly untranslation to know that "oh, maybe these are different from Earth beasts!"
I haven't been participating in these forum conversations, so this probably has been thrown into the lot already, but this is my theory on Subaru:
Emilia becomes Satella in the future. Some sort of time loop, she transports Subaru to her world to help her past self. If it's a closed loop, then it's simply a necessary event to lead to her turning into Satella. If it's an open loop, maybe she's trying to prevent herself from turning into the Jealous Witch. Either way, the few clues we have are too coincidental to be an unrevealed third party.
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| Tuor_of_Gondolin wrote: | | Even if it isn't the Witch herself doing this, it is an interesting coincidence that Subaru's magic type is the same as the Witch's: Shadow. And that when Subaru had it used on him, it... wasn't pleasant for him. |
Rather than "not pleasant," I believe the implication is supposed to be him recognizing that the magic he felt when he tried to reveal his ability to Emilia earlier was the same as the blind spell, just without the heart-squeezing.
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Key
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 5:14 pm |
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| myskaros wrote: | | Anyone else completely incensed with the lazy translation work that is "mabeasts"? Seriously, why call Satella a witch when you could just call her a "magirl". When you're pointlessly adding on prefixes that serve nigh zero purpose, just say "beasts" or "monsters." They're summoned by the witch or shaman anyway, and we can see them animated, so trust that your audience doesn't need a silly untranslation to know that "oh, maybe these are different from Earth beasts!" |
I'll agree that it may not have been the smoothest way to handle it, but they are trying to convey in a single word that these are magical beasts, not just natural beasts. (The Japanese word being used, "maju," I've seen translated as "devil beast" elsewhere.)
| Quote: | | I haven't been participating in these forum conversations, so this probably has been thrown into the lot already, but this is my theory on Subaru:
Emilia becomes Satella in the future. Some sort of time loop, she transports Subaru to her world to help her past self. If it's a closed loop, then it's simply a necessary event to lead to her turning into Satella. If it's an open loop, maybe she's trying to prevent herself from turning into the Jealous Witch. Either way, the few clues we have are too coincidental to be an unrevealed third party. |
That's a very interesting theory that hadn't occurred to me, and frankly, I think it's plausible enough that either it or some variation on it is the truth.
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sunflower
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 6:50 pm |
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I think Emilia is Satella. I think Puck gives her a strange look in the beginning because she tells the truth.
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Gina Szanboti
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 7:25 pm |
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Ok, after reviewing the beginning of the first episode, along with the images in the OP, here's my current wild mass guessing theory:
Subaru is not time looping. He's world leaping. Or rather, his soul or memories are. When he's in the mini-mart, it's intercut with flashes of him dying with Emilia, and I don't think that's merely a narrative device to show us what's in store for him, given the multiple images of him in the OP. There's a Subaru who's dying at the same time as the the Subaru who is shopping in another world, and shopping Subaru seems to be vaguely picking up on that on some level without giving it much thought. When the other Subaru dies, Satella reaches out and pulls shopping Subaru into another world to try again (at whatever she needs him to do).
So why doesn't "our" Subaru remember what happened to the previous one? Who knows? Perhaps she's been at this for awhile and finally realized during our Subaru's tenure that there was no way an ignorant Subaru was ever going to clear the levels without prior knowledge, so instead of just getting total newbie Subarus over and over, she's now transferring his memories (or completely swapping souls) into the new recruit she's drawn into a different world every time. And she's doing this because while she can't take him back in time in the same world, or bring him back to life, she can drop a new Subaru into a new world at any time point she chooses. Or maybe similar worlds are out of sync time-wise so she picks a world where a lateral leap puts him where she wants him.
When he completes his unknown mission, that will be the world Satella chooses to anchor herself in. As I understand it (which might be way off), Betty is also living somewhat inter-dimensionally, with her focal point in the library, and I think Satella is the same.
Epileptic trees anyone?
Btw, I'd just call them "maju" and leave it at that.
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DuskyPredator
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 7:35 pm |
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I am still going to keep to my theory that Emilia is related to the witch, possibly her daughter, one she had with some noble 100 years or so ago. The mansion crew understand despite where she might come from and what others may think, Emilia is innocent if somewhat naïve.
For the witches character I am somewhat betting that she is not the full on evil that call her out as, she has probably been somewhat well intentioned but many of her good intentions led to greater evils. Maybe an incorrect theory, but maybe Ram wanted to get to know humans better (like the Red Oni in the tale), but instead the witch came in removed their horns, a hypothetical given by Ram as an answer, it helped them but they were no longer themselves.
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rinkwolf10
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 8:36 pm |
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| DuskyPredator wrote: | |
For the witches character I am somewhat betting that she is not the full on evil that call her out as, she has probably been somewhat well intentioned but many of her good intentions led to greater evils. Maybe an incorrect theory, but maybe Ram wanted to get to know humans better (like the Red Oni in the tale), but instead the witch came in removed their horns, a hypothetical given by Ram as an answer, it helped them but they were no longer themselves. |
The problem with that is we know that the witch has put Ram though a lot of pain and the way Rem views it is that it was like the witch was hurting Ram for the fun of it. So far, everyone's view on the witch isn't pleasant, be it the indifferent/technical standpoint of Beatrice to the personal experience of Ram and Rem, all don't speak kindly of the Witch in both her intentions and her actions.
If more information comes along to give a different perspective then it is plausible, but as things stand right now it seem safe to assume that the witch is Malicious and her actions have proven that.
Also, anyone else notice that it's a claw that was squeaking Subaru's heart when he was trying to tell Emilia about the time loops? A claw that resembles the claw of a Dragon. I'm surprised that on one seems to be speculating that the Dragon can have something to do with Subaru's situation. In all honesty, the story about the Dragon has taken a back seat right after it was introduced and the focus seems to be the witch.
Now if the Dragon is the one that is manipulating Subaru, than the Mabeasts (being the Witches creation and forces) luring him into the forest and attacking Subaru makes more sense. As it seems to be counter intuitive for the witch to be manipulating Subaru and at the same time attack and try to kill him with her own beasts. I'm Just saying.
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Juno016
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 9:03 pm |
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The English translation went for "mabeast"...? lol Majuu are literally "magical beast", and often refers to greek and roman beasts in its original usage in Japanese. In fiction, it often is used as a general "beast with magical powers" naming sense, which often is fine being just translated to "beast". Here, though, much like how "Majo" and "Majuu" are named with inter-related purpose in Madoka ("Witch" and "Wraith" in English, which carries that same visual correspondence), "Majuu" have a particular relation with the "Majo" of Re:Zero, and I'm guessing that has a little to do with the English translator's choice of term.
As for my own speculation, there are two things that I find a bit suspicious:
1) Beatrice just goes out and says that the witch is a half-elf with silver hair. The first thing the audience is meant to picture is Emilia, especially knowing that she called herself Satella, but these don't seem like "hints" so much as they feel like deceptions. No doubt, it's not a coincidence that Emilia may resemble the witch, but latching onto Emilia as being the witch herself seems a bit too obvious. Especially since it seems increasingly evident that Emilia is important to the mansion dwellers, but the witch is more like an enemy to them.
2) Those hands... The very end of the ending shows one reaching toward the screen and then... it turns human. It looks like Subaru's hand. I've noticed the ending has been giving a lot of hints for the future in it and I don't think it was done just to look cool. I think the dark hands are Subaru's own magic powers. Remember, he's got shadow magic. This could very well be something he's capable of pulling off. But more so than that, I've been holding onto this piece of speculation since the first episode, when it almost seems like he pulls himself into the fantasy world because he doesn't want his or Emilia's life to end the way it did--just before the dark hand scene I mentioned in the ending, we get a callback to this part as well. I'm not quite sure how it works, but these hands seem very tied to his spirit and willpower. In the opening, even, you see a hand reach out and pat his shoulder from behind and... it's himself, moving forward and leaving his other self behind. Then there's another scene in the opening where we see him reaching out with his own hand through the dark clouds toward himself as well. I believe the witch definitely has something to do with it (since her scent is on him), but I think Subaru's will is controlling those dark hands of his.
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DuskyPredator
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 9:14 pm |
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| Rinkwolf wrote: | | If more information comes along to give a different perspective then it is plausible, but as things stand right now it seem safe to assume that the witch is Malicious and her actions have proven that.
Also, anyone else notice that it's a claw that was squeaking Subaru's heart when he was trying to tell Emilia about the time loops? A claw that resembles the claw of a Dragon. I'm surprised that on one seems to be speculating that the Dragon can have something to do with Subaru's situation. In all honesty, the story about the Dragon has taken a back seat right after it was introduced and the focus seems to be the witch.
Now if the Dragon is the one that is manipulating Subaru, than the Mabeasts (being the Witches creation and forces) luring him into the forest and attacking Subaru makes more sense. As it seems to be counter intuitive for the witch to be manipulating Subaru and at the same time attack and try to kill him with her own beasts. I'm Just saying. |
Beatrice mentioning that he not only smelt like the witch, but it had increased, presumably because he tried spill the beans to Emilia, leads me to believe that he is her agent, and although dark it does not seem malicious how he is being used. I would not be surprised if we found out that the dog is her creation, but then I don't think it is under her control, and maybe we will find out that it was actually created with what was thought as noble intentions.
I think there was something about keeping royal blood on the throne to keep the witch locked away, and yet someone was out to try and remove heirs. It would be weird that the witch would want to have Subaru help Emilia, you could say it makes no sense, but it might be an even bigger clue to a larger plot.
Just had the thought that something Roswell would leave for might be important, yet something he could do only after having enough trust of Subaru. It could have also been to do with the next royal member, and thus it may have been to do with Felt, another possible heir, and that it hints she is going to be brought back into the story.
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Calsolum
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 10:37 pm |
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| Gina Szanboti wrote: | | Ok, after reviewing the beginning of the first episode, along with the images in the OP, here's my current wild mass guessing theory:
Subaru is not time looping. He's world leaping. Or rather, his soul or memories are. When he's in the mini-mart, it's intercut with flashes of him dying with Emilia, and I don't think that's merely a narrative device to show us what's in store for him, given the multiple images of him in the OP. There's a Subaru who's dying at the same time as the the Subaru who is shopping in another world, and shopping Subaru seems to be vaguely picking up on that on some level without giving it much thought. When the other Subaru dies, Satella reaches out and pulls shopping Subaru into another world to try again (at whatever she needs him to do).
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yeah THAT has been bothering me for quite a while, the very first time he's shopping(loop 1.1) his flashes seems to have no effect on his journey when we the audience see glimpses of information that this subaru seemingly brushed off. With the revelation that subaru uses the same type of magic as Satella perhaps he's the one subconsciously seeking out alternate versions of himself grabbing them with his magic whilst satella does the heavy lifting of transferring his memories to an earlier or rather alternate subaru?
the very last hand pulling him away at the end of the OP catches my attention though; if we assume that the OP is deliberate and not just for dramatic effect then sometime before they switch OP (if they do at all) he's going to solve all the problems on the surface and expect to get his "happy/harem end" but get pulled back and unexpectedly killed. Or im just looking way to far into this lol
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Catseyetiger
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 11:45 pm |
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This anime gets lots of speculation! Wonder who's reading the light novels?
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Juno016
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 12:58 am |
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| Catseyetiger wrote: | | This anime gets lots of speculation! Wonder who's reading the light novels? |
I'm debating whether or not I want to start reading the web novel. It wouldn't take me too long to catch up and surpass where we are in the anime, but the anime is so well directed on its own, I don't know if I want to risk spoilers or keep speculating along with everyone else. The speculation is part of the fun.
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sunflower
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 2:47 am |
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| Catseyetiger wrote: | | This anime gets lots of speculation! Wonder who's reading the light novels? |
At this point I can't tell and want to keep it that way. Guessing blindly (or simply based on the anime ) is a lot more fun than having interjections from someone who is reading the LNs and dropping hints at things.
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