Forum - View topicThe Real Manga culprit Is The Recession
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WolfLoner
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http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/17292.html
I Know for a good number of reasons, the manga culprit Is The Recession, why is that? simple even the video game markets have been down because of the recession. But it seems manga publishers will rather blame all this upon the scanlations rather then the economic conditions the world is in.
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The Scanlations only help the manga market not hurting it.
Other articles including from this site. animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-03-17/manga-sales-drop-a-historic-6.6-percent-in-japan-in-2009 http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/17072.html http://www.cnngo.com/tokyo/shop/adult-matter-comics-manga-sales-down-733222 |
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ZepysGirl
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I don't think anyone is trying to deny that the recession is hurting manga sales. What the publishers have now realized is that scanlations are hurting their sales too. And they can do something about scanlations, whereas with the economy they just have to ride out the storm. -_-
More importantly: intelectual property is being protected. Yay! |
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Moomintroll
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Good for you. So why don't you go and talk about it on one of the half dozen other threads already devoted to scanlations and piracy instead of cluttering up the boards with yet another one? |
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ikillchicken
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What exactly are you trying to accomplish with this topic? You can believe whatever you want to believe but there's absolutely no point in just declaring that "the real culprit is the recession" in a discussion without offering anything to back that up. That article doesn't even actually agree with you. It just states that people have differing opinions on the cause of the decline and explains what some of those opinions are. What can you offer to actually back up your suggestion that scans are only beneficial?
I for one won't deny that the recession has certainly hurt manga sales. It's hurt almost everything. That doesn't necessarily let scans off the hook though. The drop has been pretty major and the most likely explanation would be a number of different factors all negatively affecting sales. |
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OLady
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I have had teenagers tell me right out that they will not buy a certain manga because they didn't like the way it ended. How did they know, I asked. Because we read the scanlations, they answered.
 Not that I knew what a scanlation was at that point. The point is "Where there is one, there are others." This includes the people who hide in the aisles of the bookstore to read without buying. They make the volumes unsalable for the store and it gets turned back to the publisher, again a net loss. You may think, "No, I"M careful." But multiply the handling a few times and it shows. Those books don't sell.
Paploo told me that ALL manga are ephemeral. I don't agree wholeheartedly, but many scanlation readers, especially the younger ones, don't buy the books because they've already read them online. They're not NEW anymore, so there's no reason to buy. If you are honest with yourself, you will admit that deep down you know this. ComiCon sold out in advance at 125,000 people, not counting industry and guests. Most were Americans. More people stayed home than went. Count overseas readership and the number is staggering. Do the math. Where N = millions of people worldwide who read manga and T = hundreds of thousands of volumes available online and M = money per volume, then: (N X T)M = a sum quite large enough to pay attention to. Do you understand? The personal world is small, but add many personal worlds together and it becomes a large world. If this large world is not willing or able to support (pay for) itself, it will die. The world of manga is a living entity. If it is not fed (if we do not buy our manga), it will starve to death. Natural law applies to businesses just like it does to anything else. No amount of denial can change this. Please try to understand. It is always difficult to face the death of a beloved friend such as OneManga. It is difficult to change our beliefs and views and realize that what was once a viable and healthy organ has grown into a cancer that is killing manga. Please face this squarely. It's hard, but we must do this to strengthen the system that produces the manga we love. |
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Paploo
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Wait what? Did I say that? I'm forgetting it now and the context of it... ah well
Mind you, I agree with everything OLady's saying. Some vendors have told me that they don't bring manga to cons [manga that they would of sold for $3 or $4 a volumes] because kids literally tell them "I can just read that online". People are very open and defensive of the fact that they steal manga, and there's something unsettling and distasteful about it all. |
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Sheleigha
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The funny part is, they seem to fight it ALOT more harder than us supporters. Thing is, yes, I've shared my time of reading scans, but I DO buy ALOT. I argue as a supporter, because I enjoy collecting these physical books and pieces of art (and if the internet ever breaks in the future for WHATEVER reason, I can ALWAYS read my physical copies^^) The fact NO ONE seems to say "I read scans. Period." or "I read scans. I know it doesn't help" and leave it at that, at least they aren't trying to justify doing it. But no, people seem to fight it to the death, no matter WHAT the supporters try to say, even after citations of numbers and proof, it will still be argued till the end of time... How and why this topic is still open, I have NO idea... It does not bring anything new to the table, nor anything we didn't know, just another excuse :/ Personally, I hope these topic get banned in the future, since no one listenson the other end anyways, nor will they change their minds... I support, because sales in other countries can create an impact, I believe. While yes, I enjoy english localizations, I think of the potential of what manga might create because of its popularity and sales, elsewhere in the world. Possible sequels and stuff could spawn JUST because it was super popular and sold lots somewhere else in the world that's not Japan. I think of the future possibilities... |
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Jaymie
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So? Publishers can't fight a recession, but they can fight scanlations.
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supes12587
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honestly i think people blaming the recession on markets that are based on sales to youth are a bit full of soot and poo. here are my reasons, true the housing market and banks and loans are down because those deal with adults who are taking pay cuts or are being laid off. kid nowadays however have a much higher minimum wage and a much larger number of minimum wage jobs to pick up. They have a disposable income that kids 10 years ago could only dream of.
markets like video games are down (i believe) because the video game market has peaked like it does every few years, hell we've had PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii longer than most of the other consoles of the past with little improvement and virtual no innovative games in the 2 or 3 years, just the usual handful of moderately successful sequels to established franchises. People are bored, why pay 50 bucks for the most recent Guitar Hero, Halo, or Medal of Honor game when all they've just changed is the setting or the playlist? Manga is suffering from an inability to keep up with readers interests, in a market that is being plagued with scans, people who are purchasing the US releases are waiting months to years before they can get their hands on chapters that are easily accessible on the web. US publishers are way behind on their target audiences demands, new chapters (first rule of economics). The markets that cater to youth aren't dependent on the economy as kids who have no bills, no car payments, no mortgage, are going to spend their money from mowing lawns, babysitting, or working at a mall kiosk after school to buy whatever they want. so people blaming the recession for the lack of manga are a little naive, the manga market is based on the support of its target audience, and if they're not capturing it, then its the publishers fault and not the economy. |
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OLady
Posts: 163 Location: Texas |
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Money is like computer memory: you expand into the space (money) available. When you run out, you have to choose what to delete, do without. You have to decide what is important and sacrifice what you can do without.
What affects adults affects the children who rely on them. Many teenagers no longer have the disposable income they did because they are now responsible for their clothing, school necessities and dating costs. Everyone here has a piece of the truth, but no one has all of it. In the final analysis, none of this is important. What does matter is personal, individual, responsibility. Everyone, all of us included, experiences the consequences of our actions. No matter how small; no matter how large. There is no way to escape it. You build your future bit by bit with each choice, action, you make every day. So, the real question becomes, "What is most important to you?" The answers to that question shape who you are and what you become. Will you act responsibly or irresponsibly? Will you work or steal? Will you accept the duties of adulthood and feed yourself or forever remain a child, demanding that others feed you? |
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