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jay saenz
 Posts: 81 Location: Costa Rica |
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Right now here in Costa Rica we have a huge controversy about the promotion of hentai, yuri and yaoi within anime clubs and use of liquor in parties or activities organized around the anime.
We had some reports of minors getting access to these type of anime and even worst, many people in the meetings and fan organized parties started to get involved in weird games (girls kissing girls, boys kissing boys, porn like photos...) specially if there is liquor around the activity. I m ok with homosexuality, but i m worried about the image that the people can get out of these behavior. Right now we are trying to work with the goverment and other cultural organizations, in order to improve the quality of the local conventions and to start other kind of activities. I m afraid that the media get a grip of the problem and throught an article or a report, they could damage the image of the whole costarican fandom... How do you think that we could handle this issue? Should we ban hentai, yuri and yaoi from our internet forums? Thanks in advance... |
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msi435
 Posts: 465 Location: Behind you! |
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That's quite an interesting situation you got there... If I were you I would ban these "experimenting" yuri/yaoi people. If they can't handle being composed about there homosexuality, then just tell them not to come back. You shouldn't ban the yuri/yaoi just the people who abuse it.
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Aaron White
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Posts: 1365 Location: Birmingham, Alabama |
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Every club needs to have a very clear idea of what it's about, and make sure everyone who joins understands what it is. It's not fair to let someone think they're just gonna be watching Kenshin with a group, only to embarrass them with kissing games and erotic anime. On the other hand there's nothing wrong with clubs that center around kissing games and erotic anime if that's what everyone involved wants. In fact I'd like to join. It's just a matter of making sure everybody understands what the group is about.
BTW, as Gore Vidal says, homosexual is an adjective, not a noun. Homosexual experimentation is way more common than is generally acknowledged, and doesn't mean the participants are gay. |
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Kruszer
 Posts: 8016 Location: Minnesota, USA |
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Ours works entirely democratically. Everyone gets their say on what they want to watch at the beginning of the semester through open submissions. Then these series or films are voted on by the rest of the group to determine what we will watch. After every episode you can vote either for or against continuing to watch.
As far as the content there's no rules for that, but no one has ever wanted to watch any hentai titles. The farthest we've gone is Elfen Lied. Besides you can't really watch anything like that in a college's auditorium at 6pm with classes going on next door. Most people would rather watch the stuff in private I think if they even wanted to at all. We also have a fairly mixed group of men an women too, so I think it would be inappropriate. |
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Nani?
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One thing I'm getting is that jay saenz's situation and status of anime is closer to what we saw in the States 12-15 years ago where awarness of what was Anime was lower. Also, I suspect a bad press report can be taken way out of context and lead to a greater level of social disapproval then might be generated in the U.S.
What I suggest is having a few events that are either "unoffical" or adult only where hentai-ish things may be shown the behavior you describe is acceptable and other events where it's understood that adults have to behave themselves. This could be done either by group consensus or offical policy depending on your circumstances. All the best, Nani? |
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CrimsonPh33r
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You sound like your from Kansas. If they want have some fun in the back, who gives a damn as long as they dont sit in front of the projector.
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jay saenz
Posts: 81 Location: Costa Rica |
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I would like to see you, trying to explain that to the angry father of a 16 year old girl or to some journalist looking for a juicy story... Like someone said, the goal of the club gotta be clear... and our club is trying to make its way with the support of the goverment and other cultural organizations, that don´t allow that kind of behavior... we want to promote anime as something good for the people, and these scenes (drunk people doing sexual stuff) don´t help... I m not from Texas or Kansas, i m a huge hentai fan... but i m afraid that many people in my group can´t handle this kind of anime... and that is why i though of avoid any bond between the club and the yaoi/yuri/hentai groups... |
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Godaistudios
Posts: 2075 Location: Albuquerque, NM (the land of entrapment) |
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Based on your two posts on this thread then, I think the course of action should be clear. As a club, you probably should avoid the "appearance" of promoting the material. As such, I'd stronly suggest staying away of showing titles with those themes in there.
Forums are a useful tool for communication between members, and topics should probably be allowed as long as it fits the scope of anime as a whole. Usually, association between an editorial sent in by a reader, and the newspaper that prints it are usually seen as two seperate things. I suspect that internet forums are generally seen the same way. It's fairly easy and safe to say that the opinions of forum posters do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the club as a whole and that the opinions of members are not endorsed in any way by the club itself. Worst case scenario? Put that on a page where it can be seen first and foremost. As long as it's clear, you should have nothing to worry about. |
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Aaron White
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Posts: 1365 Location: Birmingham, Alabama |
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I said youthful homosexual experimentation is more common than is generally acknowledged, and doesn't mean the participants are fundimentally homosexual. I didn't say anime clubs should be forums for such experimentation (or for underage boozing.) Obviously anime clubs with government ties should avoid underage drinking and sexual play. I just didn't say so because I thought it went without saying. |
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jay saenz
Posts: 81 Location: Costa Rica |
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Thank you very much... here is the thing i forgot to tell you. I our internet forums at www.animeclubcr.com we include a section for adult entretaiment (Yaoi, yuri, hentai and party), and it become a headache... even if we try to keep minors out of them... Right now we are having a hard time trying to controling the content of these forums, people ask for less restrictions... and in the case of yaoi, well, we have banned several pictures in order to avoid problems. The problem is that people belive that the club as whole support yaoi, yuri and hentai groups, because they use our forums as the main source of comunication and advertising... I already had told the webmaster that we should erase these forums, but many people is getting upset about it. So i m between the sword and the wall... And, perhaps is just my idea, but if the new members see the leaders of the club and other adults engage themselves in drink and sex, i think that we are giving the wrong example... |
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Nani?
Posts: 632 |
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I say this as someone who knows something about "alternative" behavior.
What you need to ask about those involved-- Are these people who can put aside thier "interests" and are cognizant of how thier actions will effect how they or others are percieved? Do they care? If it's brought to thier attention, will they mitigate thier behavior? If they answer no any except perhaps the first (and definately so if it's pointed out to them), they are, bluntly, selfish children who can't be trusted with responsiblity. Stay away and sever all ties. This will blow up in your face, if not over this, something else. The question you need to ask yourself-- Are you paraniod, or puritanical, or worrying too much. If any of those apply, sit back, suspend judgement for a while, and get some opinions of people you trust. See if any of your fears are realistic. If they are realistic, suggest that the club take some of the advice already given. If they do not, they either do not care or are unwilling to mitagate thier behavior. In that case, see question one. All the Best and Good luck, Nani? |
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beelzebozo
 Posts: 308 Location: Aurora, Colorado |
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If your club is going to have adult anime in it, you need to restrict the club to 18+ (or whatever the legal age for adult literature and/or drinking is in Costa Rica).
If you intent to have events involving minors or government agencies, I think you'd better draw the line and remove anything that might get an American "NC-17". Same goes with the booze. If people want to indulge in such things, they can do it after hours, at private gatherings. |
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Zalis116
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 Posts: 6921 Location: Kazune City |
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My anime club has done hentai a few times; we did it once last semester, on the Tuesday night before Thanksgiving break when our normal meetings are on Fridays. It worked well, because the people going to that meeting knew that they would be seeing hentai, but at normal meetings, there's an unofficial ban on it. Besides, our democratic voting process usually rejects utterly any strongly yaoi or yuri title.
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