Forum - View topicBought the Bamboo Blade DVDs.. Kinda disappointed.
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axstoro
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Lately i've been buying the Bamboo Blade manga, loving the series so far, and decided to go ahead and buy the DVDs.
Ordered the complete collection of Borders, and finally got it. Watched the first DVDs, and the audio was good, as well as the videos. But I prefer to watch subs over dubs, and.. The quality of the subs got to me. It looked HORRID. The font wasnt smooth at all. =/ So im downloading a fansub copy atm. But question for you guys, is this what i'll expect from companies? Or is this just funimation? Does Aniplex do a good job at subbing, as I want to buy the Durarara DVDs soon. (or possibly the Bluray) |
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PBsallad
 Posts: 338 Location: Phoenix |
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Being some one who prefers to watch shows dubbed I first saw this series dubbed. But I just went onto hulu and watched a little bit of the first episode subtitled, and saw nothing wrong. It didn't look too differently from the few other shows I've seen subbed, or rather of official subs.
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Echo_City
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I was hoping this thread would be about the DVD's utter lack of extras (Funimation Fail), but alas it was not. Anyhow, I also noticed some issue with the subs, but then again, I only saw 8 eps subbed on them. IMO the Japanese voicing was most atrocious, that show helped cure my "Sub Purism".
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Key
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 Posts: 19142 Location: Indianapolis, IN (formerly Mimiho Valley) |
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I watched the entire first set with the subs on (I like to watch dubs with the subs on for comparison's sake) and didn't notice anything particularly off about their formatting; in fact, I found them typical enough to be unremarkable. It sounds like the OP just isn't used to standard DVD font formats, which, as I understand it, have greater technical limitations on font types that they can use than what fansubs do. I don't see that as an issue - some fansubbers get much too needlessly fancy with their fonts for my tastes - but I have heard long-time fansub watchers make this comment before when transitioning into actually owning DVDs.
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wcsinn
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Not much of a sub watcher personally, but is it possible that this has something to do with the DVDs being produced in HD and fansubs adding their text in standard definition (regardless of what format the original video is in). I do know from a few games I've played that text designed for (and very legible in HD) becomes much harder to read on a standard TV. |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
 Posts: 5344 Location: Philly |
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Have you purchased and watched other subbed anime, axstoro? I haven't seen Bamboo Blade, but I don't imagine it's worse than any given professional sub. Like Key suggested, it may just be that you're not accustomed to the rather plain style that hardware limitations impose on DVDs.
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Zalis116
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I suspect that the OP's problem here is not with the actual font used, but rather with aliasing or jaggies. Unfortunately, the DVD format's specifications and limitations were set back in 1997, and designed for the TVs that were available in 1997. DVD subtitles are rather low-resolution bitmap images, not actual text. They'll generally look decent on older TVs -- they look smooth enough on my 27" CRT connected with component input. However, when the image is upscaled to a higher-res display, the picture subtitles do not scale with it, and thus you'll see blockiness on most curves and diagonal lines. So unfortunately, the aliasing problem is going to be present to some degree in all DVD subs, assuming you're watching on a high-resolution TV or monitor. It's not the companies' fault at all, although some (like Media-Blasters) are worse than others. Not much can be done about it on the user end, aside from switching to a lower-res display. And while Blu-Ray does allow text subs, afaik the R1 companies are stuck in "let's do it this way because we've always done it this way" mode, and still use some variant of DVD-style picture subs on Blu-Ray. For anyone with these subtitle issues, I'd suggest e-mailing the companies and asking them to at least change their formats for Blu-Ray.
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PetrifiedJello
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My original thought as well, but I didn't feel like getting too technical because setup varies. I was taken aback by it as well when I first fired up Lucky Star on my HDTV (I originally had an EDTV) as I didn't expect to see it on a "newer" series. Then I remembered the series had aliasing issues in addition to the font. Over the next few weeks, I tested a variety of DVDs and for the most part, the aliasing wasn't an issue. On Blue Drop, however, it was so bad, I had to re-establish the black bars to force the 480 out. I could barely read the text. I recommend playing around. If the aliasing is noticeable, adjust the output resolution. After a few minutes, you won't even notice the black bars. |
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hissatsu01
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More like no one has used text subs on blu-ray because it doesn't support anti-aliased text and the lack of fonts available on players. Basically text subs on blu-ray are a non-feature that wasn't given any thought when the format was developed, and it's unlikely to ever be used. But there's a big visual difference between blu-ray subs and DVD subs. 1920x1080x8bit graphic subs and 720x480x2bit graphic subs look very different, and generally blu-ray subs look much better than DVD subs. I've never seen issues with aliasing with blu-ray subs. |
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EricDent
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I have never really noticed any weird sub stuff, but I do have a smaller TV (26" HDTV) and sit about 10' away from it.
BTW the dub of Bamboo Blade is really really good! |
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axstoro
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I find everyone's voice ok, but for some reason, tamaki's voice annoys me D:! |
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Richard J.
 Posts: 3367 Location: Sic Semper Tyrannis. |
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I'm a dub watcher primarily but I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary with the subs either. They seemed pretty standard-issue to me. The lack of DVD extras and now Zalis116's comments make me think there are other, bigger issues.
I never figured Bamboo Blade was a big hit or a big get for Funi but if they really didn't even use the Japanese DVD version, I'd want a damn good explanation. That seems so out of character. |
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DavidShallcross
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Since I got a High-Def TV, I have definitely noticed jaggies on DVD subtitles. They should make it a selling point on upscaling DVD players to optionally do anti-aliasing on subtitles.
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axstoro
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That would be nice. Its a small thing, but has really be irritating me. 
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hissatsu01
Posts: 963 Location: NYC |
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It's unlikely anything will ever be done that offers more than very crude anti-aliasing on DVD subtitle fonts. They're limited to 4 colors, chosen from 16 total, and one has to be reserved for the transparent background. If you limit yourself to one subtitle color, you can do crude anti-aliasing, but it isn't much. There's only so much you can do with 3 colors. Subtitle smoothing of sorts is offered on some PC DVD player software, but it's really just blurring of sorts, and nothing particularly impressive. Sorry, formats developed in the mid-90s are stuck with mid-90's technology.
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