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here-and-faraway



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:55 am Reply with quote
Is it normal to actually go through someone's computer during a customs inspection? I've never been to Canada, so I really don't know.
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JDuks



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:08 am Reply with quote
He's a computer programmer? You think maybe he would know how to hide sensitive information on his computer. The fact that he had this material on his computer and it was "findable" shows that either he never expected anyone else to ever use his computer, he trusts anyone who uses his computer, he's too proud of his interests, or he's just dumb.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:16 am Reply with quote
I`m usually open to both sides of the argument in cases like this, but if the guy doesn`t have any legitimate CP, he should be let go. You really can`t refer to a drawing as child pornography. Especially manga. Look at Astarotte`s Toy - the adults look like they`re five years old in that thing.

On the bright side, Canada`s legal system is basically a slap on the wrist. The most he`d get is two months, and he`d only serve like two weeks if he behaved.
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Echo_City



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:23 am Reply with quote
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Is it normal to actually go through someone's computer during a customs inspection?
I'm wondering about this too. If Customs has to go through every computer that visitors to Canada might bring, that line must take an eternity to get through. I get the impression from the article that he was singled out to have his laptop searched, as well as his iDevices, for some undisclosed reason, but I don't believe that was explicitly stated.

If Canadian customs don't like what he is trying to bring into Canada, shouldn't they bar him entry? I thought the point of customs was to keep out/regulate potential threats, not arrest them and slam them into a Canadian prison? Was the man not granted a chance to leave Canda when Customs found "disagreeable material" on his PC? If not, it sounds like a racket to me.
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He's a computer programmer? You think maybe he would know how to hide sensitive information on his computer.
My thoughts exactly. On a related note, did customs coerce him into granting entry into his computer, or did they bypass his presumed password protection? Regardless, this has me once again thinking that everything should be encrypted and as hidden as possible when dealing with "The Man".
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DCR



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:27 am Reply with quote
JDuks wrote:
He's a computer programmer? You think maybe he would know how to hide sensitive information on his computer. The fact that he had this material on his computer and it was "findable" shows that either he never expected anyone else to ever use his computer, he trusts anyone who uses his computer, he's too proud of his interests, or he's just dumb.


Or maybe he didn't even think he could to be in trouble for drawings in countries that are not Iran or Saudi Arabia.

Note to myself: if I ever travel to Canada, better not bring my Narutaru or Bokurano mangas with me.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:33 am Reply with quote
Jaymie wrote:
I`m usually open to both sides of the argument in cases like this, but if the guy doesn`t have any legitimate CP, he should be let go. You really can`t refer to a drawing as child pornography. Especially manga. Look at Astarotte`s Toy - the adults look like they`re five years old in that thing.

That's an opinion, not a fact, though. You may not see drawings as child pornography, but there's nothing in the definition of 'pornography' that excludes drawn pictures; and, as for the definition of 'child' in relation to drawings, for that sort of thing most people go by how the character looks rather than an excuse like "oh, but he/she's actually 700 years old..."

I find it incredibly difficult to side with the guy who was arrested here. If you're planning on travelling to a different country, you should take note of what is or is not legal there and make sure you aren't taking anything illegal (or anything close to it, to be safe) with you. Without knowing exactly which pictures he had with him, it's impossible to say much more about whether he should be let go or not.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:38 am Reply with quote
sillyriri wrote:
Jaymie wrote:
I`m usually open to both sides of the argument in cases like this, but if the guy doesn`t have any legitimate CP, he should be let go. You really can`t refer to a drawing as child pornography. Especially manga. Look at Astarotte`s Toy - the adults look like they`re five years old in that thing.

That's an opinion, not a fact, though. You may not see drawings as child pornography, but there's nothing in the definition of 'pornography' that excludes drawn pictures; and, as for the definition of 'child' in relation to drawings, for that sort of thing most people go by how the character looks rather than an excuse like "oh, but he/she's actually 700 years old..."


Manga = Drawn

Drawn = Not Real

Not real = No harm done

Can I go now, the line at the airport is getting long as it is, lol
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Echo_City



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:40 am Reply with quote
A more interesting question IMO is still why was this man singled out for having his electronic possessions searched?

Followed by: Why arrest him when you can simply bar him entry & force him to either fly home or wander the terminal forever, like Tom Hanks?
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If you're planning on travelling to a different country, you should take note of what is or is not legal there and make sure you aren't taking anything illegal (or anything close to it, to be safe) with you.
When the authorities are this strict in cracking down, who can be sure that anything they have won't be flagged as illegal? More aptly, Game of Thrones is pretty popular right now. The books are rife with people under 18 in sexual scenarios. Would having that book on one's person be cause for arrest at the Canadian border?

Lastly, I don't see the point in the arrest. This isn't like he's bringing in physical contraband that cannot be easily obtained in Canada. He's bringing in images on a computer...images which can be easily and readily available for download on the Internet. Arresting him does nothing to stop the flow of "illicit" materials into Canada.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:49 am Reply with quote
DCR wrote:
JDuks wrote:
He's a computer programmer? You think maybe he would know how to hide sensitive information on his computer. The fact that he had this material on his computer and it was "findable" shows that either he never expected anyone else to ever use his computer, he trusts anyone who uses his computer, he's too proud of his interests, or he's just dumb.


Or maybe he didn't even think he could to be in trouble for drawings in countries that are not Iran or Saudi Arabia.

This.

Sadly, people still believe that "drawings count as children" is a reasonable thought to hold in a civilized country.
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PetrifiedJello



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:51 am Reply with quote
here-and-faraway wrote:
Is it normal to actually go through someone's computer during a customs inspection?

Yes, and the US practices this as well under the guise of "terrorism protection".

JDuks wrote:
You think maybe he would know how to hide sensitive information on his computer.

It depends on how this information was hidden, but Microsoft themselves sell software which circumvents security its own software used by law enforce...

...wait, you can download your own set using a Google search. I own the software on my own flash drive. Fascinating it uses Linux software to bypass Windows security.

There is no such thing as "sensitive information" on a computer. Not anymore.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:53 am Reply with quote
Thats so annoying if its drawn then its not real
that also means its not hurting anyone plus some of the charactesr in anime dont like they are the age they are.
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Echo_City



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:56 am Reply with quote
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There is no such thing as "sensitive information" on a computer. Not anymore.
So then do places like the CIA and NSA store all their information on paper? I guess all of these reports about hackers as of late are meaningless as there's nothing of worth they could steal. Or maybe information has bucked up and decided to be a man, and is therefore no longer "sensitive"?Rolling Eyes There's still sensitive information on computers, most assuredly.

Bypassing a Windows logon screen is trivial, and rather irrelevant as it is most assured that someone who works with computers would know about this, and know how to take further precautions. Hidden encrypted files, that's where it's at. Google isn't going to help crack open properly encrypted files faster than the several lifetimes it'd take to do so normally.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:56 am Reply with quote
Dagon123 wrote:
sillyriri wrote:
Jaymie wrote:
I`m usually open to both sides of the argument in cases like this, but if the guy doesn`t have any legitimate CP, he should be let go. You really can`t refer to a drawing as child pornography. Especially manga. Look at Astarotte`s Toy - the adults look like they`re five years old in that thing.

That's an opinion, not a fact, though. You may not see drawings as child pornography, but there's nothing in the definition of 'pornography' that excludes drawn pictures; and, as for the definition of 'child' in relation to drawings, for that sort of thing most people go by how the character looks rather than an excuse like "oh, but he/she's actually 700 years old..."


Manga = Drawn

Drawn = Not Real

Not real = No harm done

Silly Dagon123, trying to apply logic to this case. Don't you know that the law is above reason and truth?

Now seriously, people should stop treating the law as the source of all truth. Pretty much any nutty thought can be turned into a law.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:49 am Reply with quote
Dagon123 wrote:


Manga = Drawn

Drawn = Not Real

Not real = No harm done

Can I go now, the line at the airport is getting long as it is, lol
Nope. It's not for you to judge, but the Judge alone, so it looks like you will be enjoying our hopitality for quite awhile longer. Laughing

This shounen baka should have known better than to be keeping such things on his traveling kit, but also I find the fact that they must have made him switch it on and log in to be able to find such files without a warrant a bit draconian for Canada. I mean I can see if it was a book and the officers thumbed through the pages, but a laptop in a carrying case? Randon search? I mean here in the UK Customs and Border Control would have to get a writ on grounds of either prior intelligence, or suspicion.
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minirop



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:53 am Reply with quote
Canada (or at least Québec) import French/US manga, and on the list there are things like Dance in the Vampire Bund. What's the difference ? (like when the guy wash the bare chest of Minna)

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"only if characters are explicitly depicted as children involved in sex acts e.g. lack of secondary sexual characteristics, breast development, pubic hair,"

er... what ? so every manga where all the girls don't have a C-cup are child porn ?
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