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Dicku-kun



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:20 am Reply with quote
That is FAST. Does he not have a lot of scenes or is the process just that easy with all the dialogues and scenes basically finished already?
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big companies do as i do: always assume worst and have a backup plan for it

they have redundancy va for every major role
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People can disagree with the harshness of punishment and reaction to a japanese celebrity using drugs, but man... if you are going to do war on drugs, this feels waaaaay more concrete.

I mean, again, you may disagree with the approach as it's almost like erasing the guy's recent history. But just thinking about the differences... celebrities in the west are often caught taking drugs, they get a slap on the wrist, and at most some sponsors will cancel contracts and whatnot. At very most, because more often than not, it just passes, there are no consequences, and the media often profits with the scandal, with tons of people joking and making memes about it. Culturally, we're all plenty used with celebrities taking drugs, to a point we've come to expect it.

This guy here... not only he'll probably get arrrested or go underground in rehab for a long time, but all his recent work is being erased as if he didn't exist, and he'll likely not get a job for a long time if at all. Imagine how much of a loss of money and time this is for all businesses that he worked for recently. If businesses are expected to operate like this everytime an actor, actress, model or overall celebrity is caught taking illegal drugs, it becomes way more socially unacceptable to do so. Business won't risk closing contracts with celebrities who could potentially do drugs, celebrities wouldn't risk it, stuff like that.

Or perhaps there is something more specific to this particular case that I dunno. It has just been a bit fascinating and surprising to see what happened in this case...
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shabu shabu



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:24 am Reply with quote
#815349 wrote:
People can disagree with the harshness of punishment and reaction to a japanese celebrity using drugs, but man... if you are going to do war on drugs, this feels waaaaay more concrete.

I mean, again, you may disagree with the approach as it's almost like erasing the guy's recent history. But just thinking about the differences... celebrities in the west are often caught taking drugs, they get a slap on the wrist, and at most some sponsors will cancel contracts and whatnot. At very most, because more often than not, it just passes, there are no consequences, and the media often profits with the scandal, with tons of people joking and making memes about it. Culturally, we're all plenty used with celebrities taking drugs, to a point we've come to expect it.

This guy here... not only he'll probably get arrrested or go underground in rehab for a long time, but all his recent work is being erased as if he didn't exist, and he'll likely not get a job for a long time if at all. Imagine how much of a loss of money and time this is for all businesses that he worked for recently. If businesses are expected to operate like this everytime an actor, actress, model or overall celebrity is caught taking illegal drugs, it becomes way more socially unacceptable to do so. Business won't risk closing contracts with celebrities who could potentially do drugs, celebrities wouldn't risk it, stuff like that.

Or perhaps there is something more specific to this particular case that I dunno. It has just been a bit fascinating and surprising to see what happened in this case...


Japan is unanimous in it's stance on drugs while as America is not. America has people fighting to legalize illegal drugs and has succeeded in a few states already. This ranges from grassroot protesters to high government officials. American media also glorifies and promotes the use of illegal substances.

Japan does not have those types of people. There are a few people who march for legalization of marijuana every year here in Tokyo, but they are very small. 100 people at best, and are mostly non-Japanese or foreign sympathizing Japanese attempting to push foreign views on Japan. They are viewed as conspiracy theorists by the public with their eerie chanting and slogans they shout as they march.

Japanese laws are universal to the point there are Japanese who have been punished for using illicit drugs while travelling overseas when they return home, and foreigners who are known to do drugs are banned from entering Japan to begin with.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:24 am Reply with quote
If they are going like this I'm just not going to buy anything from their company again, it's as simple as that.
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Kaori Makimura



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:26 am Reply with quote
I guess I'll be that guy (girl in this case) and say it...
If only Japan cracked down this hard on child porn and exploitation of minors.
I bet they wouldn't have the disgusting sub culture issues it has now.

I truly wish that they would do something major about it...

As for the punishment being inflicted on the actor... It's far too extreme.
Being removed from all work he has done recently is too unfair.
Did he at least get paid beforehand?

Yeah, drugs are bad. Obviously. But...

And American celebrities don't get punished? What are you on?
So many careers have been ruined by drugs... It's crazy.
Robert Downey Jr went to JAIL for a couple of YEARS.
Cory Hain?
Randy Quaid?
All of those actors you see in older movies and you wonder, huh why didn't they make more movies???
Drug abuse. They either die or they get dumped.
There is no special treatment. Not for male actors anyway.
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encrypted12345



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:27 am Reply with quote
Kaori Makimura wrote:
I guess I'll be that guy (girl in this case) and say it...
If only Japan cracked down this hard on child porn and exploitation of minors.
I bet they wouldn't have the disgusting sub culture issues it has now.

I truly wish that they would do something major about it...


But rape statistics and similar stats are much lower in Japan than in the West. Assuming you're talking about 2D materials, then there's nothing wrong with them unless they are traced. Places like Europe and America are creeped out by otaku culture, but their rape and child exploitation rates are much higher than in Japan.

You could argue that cp is kind of in a weird place internationally since age of consent varies drastically between countries. I'm vehemently against it, especially if prepubescents are involved, but my parents' home country of the Phillippines allows marital sex at 13, and some Middle Eastern countries go so far as to allow child marriage and sex within those marriages. Is it legally consistent to complain about under 18 porn while letting those pass? I don't know, but as far as I know, the UN hasn't done anything about it.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:17 pm Reply with quote
Dicku-kun wrote:
That is FAST. Does he not have a lot of scenes or is the process just that easy with all the dialogues and scenes basically finished already?


Since they mention the new model doesn't use performance capture, I think that cut down on a lot of work. You don't have to get all the mocap setup for that, and you don't have to dedicate time to cleaning all that mocap work up; you can just keyframe according to the lip sync and get a general approximation of what's needed, even if it's not as nuanced.

I am curious how the cutscenes worked out; did they just re-render his new model and composite it in over the original face? pikkuhukka is right, though; just about every VA role, English and Japanese, have back up roles in case of scheduling conflicts or whatnot.

But I am a little concerned that such a fast turnaround means that this new-faced model will look subpar compared to the other performance capture models, which might be disappointing at best, jarring at worst. But I guess we'll just wait and see.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:13 pm Reply with quote
Kaori Makimura wrote:
I guess I'll be that guy (girl in this case) and say it...
If only Japan cracked down this hard on child porn and exploitation of minors.
I bet they wouldn't have the disgusting sub culture issues it has now.

Reported child abuse cases in USA(2015): 683,000
Reported child abuse cases in Japan(2017): 133,778
...Which means the incidence proportional to population is more than double in USA than it is in Japan.

Not to say nothing should be done(it should), just adding some perspective.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:00 am Reply with quote
Yes, he got busted for a drug charge and is facing the consequences which here essentially means ruins his acting career. However, this crack possession charge leading to his, for lack of a better term, blacklisting I think is extreme. If this was the case of a sex crime, then I agree with this blacklisting as well as a lengthy prison sentence (at least 7.5-10 years, depending on the severity of the sex crime). In trying to be consistent, I would apply the same to these events happening in the U.S.
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ChestPains



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:15 am Reply with quote
LOL @ using RDJ as example of "cracking down on celebrities using drugs". The guy's one of the most well paid actors and the face of an iconic Marvel character and all his roles from back then are still praised.

"They shouldn't be this extreme with drugs only with those caught with cp" is so stupid.
They should be extreme with BOTH. Such as Mr Rurouni Kenshin just paying a fine and continuing to work. Should've gotten a similar treatment by at least having it temporarily canceled or something. Not like that would help but it would be more punishment than "just say sorry and move on".

Especially with how much they want to keep an "upright citizen" image, you'd figure they'd both be considered serious crimes to warrant the same treatment but apparently not.
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Steve Minecraft



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:48 am Reply with quote
ChestPains wrote:
LOL @ using RDJ as example of "cracking down on celebrities using drugs". The guy's one of the most well paid actors and the face of an iconic Marvel character and all his roles from back then are still praised.

"They shouldn't be this extreme with drugs only with those caught with cp" is so stupid.
They should be extreme with BOTH. Such as Mr Rurouni Kenshin just paying a fine and continuing to work. Should've gotten a similar treatment by at least having it temporarily canceled or something. Not like that would help but it would be more punishment than "just say sorry and move on".

Especially with how much they want to keep an "upright citizen" image, you'd figure they'd both be considered serious crimes to warrant the same treatment but apparently not.


Watsuki's work was temporarily cancelled though. He didn't get to return to work for like 6 months.

And owning CP was legal in Japan until a few years ago, so it's not going to be treated as harshly as drugs which have been illegal for decades. I'd imagine a lot of people are still in the mindset of "it was legal a few years ago, so who cares, no big deal"

And despite it being illegal now, it has a very loose punishment associated with it. People are saying Watsuki "just got a fine" as if he somehow got special treatment when that is literally what the punishment for owning CP is in Japan now. A fine. It's not like America where if you get a minimum prison sentence automatically.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:03 pm Reply with quote
For the record, the said Pierre Taki's image is not completely erased in Japanese media. In fact, Pierre Taki takes an important role in the movie "Mahjong Horoki 2020," which is currently on theater nation-wide in Japan since April 5, 2019. The movie is distributed by a major distributor TOEI, one of the biggest in Japan, even after he was arrested.

Souce: http://www.japansubculture.com/mahjong-horoki-2020-a-film-way-cooler-than-cool-japan/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9551928/

So, yes SEGA among many others erased his image. Yes, Japan seems to be in war on drugs; however, a remark like "Japan erased his entire image" is purely wrong.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:07 am Reply with quote
encrypted12345 wrote:
Kaori Makimura wrote:
I guess I'll be that guy (girl in this case) and say it...
If only Japan cracked down this hard on child porn and exploitation of minors.
I bet they wouldn't have the disgusting sub culture issues it has now.

I truly wish that they would do something major about it...


But rape statistics and similar stats are much lower in Japan than in the West. Assuming you're talking about 2D materials, then there's nothing wrong with them unless they are traced. Places like Europe and America are creeped out by otaku culture, but their rape and child exploitation rates are much higher than in Japan.

You could argue that cp is kind of in a weird place internationally since age of consent varies drastically between countries. I'm vehemently against it, especially if prepubescents are involved, but my parents' home country of the Phillippines allows marital sex at 13, and some Middle Eastern countries go so far as to allow child marriage and sex within those marriages. Is it legally consistent to complain about under 18 porn while letting those pass? I don't know, but as far as I know, the UN hasn't done anything about it.


That is a great point, I always found it weird the people from certain countries(ahem mostly Americans) feel they and only they have the moral compass to tell the rest of the world what is right and wrong. Coming from a country who bombed Iraq, bombed Syria, selling arms to chief human rights abuser Saudi Arabia, deliberately starving people of Venezuela just because they believe in a different economic model than they do...the list goes on and on and on. These are the same people who after ruining so many lives, then trun round and say "hey you japanese/chinese/africans etc...you're so backwards, you should learn from us"

no thanks, if we did learn from the Americans, we'd be killing a whole lot more people than we do now.
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