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Ryuji-Dono
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Wow, so it's a flaming trainwreck?
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Glordit
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I can't believe that a fan animation managed to get broadcast on TV and major streaming platforms. It even got a dub too!
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Calsolum
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So after the author came out with his response I decided to give the original webcomic a go and it was.... Mixed. I got
The arstyle in the beginning was inconsistent, but to be expects as its just starting out. It did get much better and was consistently good but the art never felt amazing or something I'd recommend to others based on the art alone. The story in the beginning was likeable. There's alot of similar vibes to mushoku but he's a much more likeable protagonist than Rudy. In his past life he seemed to have been a pragmatic and logical king. There's nothing that implies that he was needlessly cruel, he just... didn't care. And that's what's great about seeing him grow into someone that treasures and cares for... The lives of his close friends/family. So yeah that distinction is important cause if you fall outside of that, he doesn't seem too bothered other than considering long term consequences. Oh and also he's hella vengeful. Yeah the uh lesson he learned from Sylvia lasted until adolescence. Granted he's got every reason to be furious and justice was not served because said person had too much influence but he definitely wants revenge and it feels like, wasn't this the very thing Sylvia wanted him not to be like? Idk I'm 130 chapters into the story and just sorta stopped for a bit. There's still alot left so presumably Arthur's got alot more growing to do but I'm certainly starting to see the usual overpowered MC Tropes. He's got multiple unique superpowers, unique equipment falls into his lap, effortlessly befriends influential/powerful people, a growing list of pretty girls falling for him. I'll definitely finish the series but idk if I want to wait for the anime or just binge the rest of the series once the latest season(comic) is finished. |
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Glordit
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The entire series is basically just popular tropes taken from other well known power fantasy and isekai series. The initial chapters are almost a direct copy of Mushoku Tensei. Retains their previous memories right from birth. Can perform magic at a young age. Destroys the house trying it out for the first time. Father trains daily as a swordsman. Mother doesn't want them to be an adventurer. They are having a second child. I could go on. |
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LukaTheLancer
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Hmmmm, beside Arifuerta the only 2 newer one i can remember where an author spoke out was with Yūki Tabata with black clover filler arc and ichiei ishibumi with High School DxD Born (Season 3). the later was so bad that the head writer of the DxD anime would never work with the director again who made the changes.
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Calsolum
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Yeah i noticed that as well, but alot isekai anime share tropes and some are so close to others you'd almost think the author saw the first one and went- 'well i could do that better'. I found Arthur much easier to follow than Rudy(The first time a girl his current age blindsides him with a kiss he starts freaking out thinking he's now a criminal vs Rudy who- well if you've watched or read the series you know). Original? No but we constantly get Kirito wannabes every year and every once in a while some of them break the mold and become fun characters to follow. Still the series is at least interesting enough at the point I'm at. i hope it stays interesting. |
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FilthyCasual
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It's very strange that you chide Shirakome for stepping in during Arifureta's production but not Mizukami, who did the exact same thing for Biscuit Hammer after its director tried irreparably altering the story with various changes like making the main character an assassin. |
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Glordit
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Mizukami isn't to blame. Biscuit Hammer had a "famous" artist join the team, they asked for major changes to the story. The production team would go back and forth for almost two years before the "artist" quit/left. By then it was too late, and NAZ had to salvage what was left. http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/229586 |
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TheSleepyMonkey
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This non-sensical BS is seriously still beng insisted on? Comparing CSM's anime to whatever the hell this is being released already sounds moronic by itself, but I'm convinced anyone that still doesn't shut up with this "MisUndeRsTanD what Made The oRiginAl WoRk ApPealLing" talk never actually read the manga or understand Fujimoto at all (specially when he already made it pretty clear what he wanted from the anime abudantly clear before it even aired) |
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Philmister978
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I said it before and I'll say it again. How A-Cat didn't go bankrupt after 2010 astonishes me. Especially since they're allowed to keep churning out crap title after crap title every other season or so.
Like I'll always give shit to Highspeed Etoile (and considering we're dealing with the same director/writer team as both it and the Non-A-Cat produced Kingdom of Ruin adaptation, should not be any surprise that the writing sucks just as much as the animation), but the sad fact was that that series was then trying. Yeah it still sucked on almost all counts and looked a decade and a half out of date (even older once you factor in that GBC was out that same season), but compared to the show they did literally the following season -- another forgettable Isekai -- and it's like an Orange production. And that's not a high bar to clear when the art in shows like TBATE is their baseline. Nor is it praise since Etoile still looks like crap and makes basic errors, which is inexcusable for a studio of its age or for the years Etoile was produced and released in. You can only blame the poor conditions of the industry for so much. When companies like Project No. 9, A-Cat and EMT Squared keep mostly producing bottom-barrel (or near bottom) work almost consistently, you have to wonder how much of it is the fault of the industry versus general incompetence on the part of the studio and its staff. |
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TarsTarkas
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I am assuming you are referring to Arifureta. When Colonel Sanders found out that corporate KFC changed his original recipe and made other cost cutting changes, he had a literal meltdown and publicly lambasted corporate KFC and the fried chicken they produced. (from "The Food That Built America") Mainly cause it was his name and his picture on the brand. Hollywood has done the same many times, fired people, extensive rewrites, and reshoots. Only difference is that Hollywood can afford it and anime committees can not. I am willing to give the author the benefit of the doubt, that the original production of Arifureta was a hot mess, and he conducted damage control as best as he could. On the bright side we got three seasons of anime. |
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JR-1
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Not directed to you personally, and this might seem controversial to some, but people do need to consider that what the original author want may not necessarily be the best, especially for a medium they have not much experience in. IIRC Shirobako implies pretty hard that original author that is very demanding can be a real detriment to the production. On the other hand it is pretty fair to say given the freedom of a completely hands-off approach will also miss the mark a lot of time. I think people just have to accept that with something that involves so many people and companies, so many personalities, so many interests, any "good adaptation" is a small miracle in itself and as the column says just take the L when it misses (which is more than hits). |
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AQuin1904
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I still don't get what people mean about Chain Saw Man. After hearing people trash the anime for ages, I read 18 volumes of the manga and then watched the whole thing back in January. I like the manga better, but the anime was still excellent, and I don't see a way it wasn't telling the same story and telling it well, with a lot of neat little touches. I guess I can understand the people who don't like CGI under any circumstances, but even then the way people talk about it like a self-evident creative failure is just baffling.
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Nionel
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You know, when I saw footage of TBATE, I also thought the baby looked like a Funko Pop, I'm glad I'm not the only one.
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JR-1
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IMO it's a rare case of technically adept adaptation that a lot feel doesn't capture the artistic appeal of the manga. Personally I think CSM thrive better for the "outsider"/"avant-garde" (not exactly fits the term but I'm not eloquent enough to explain it) instead of pristine shonen and I guess a lot feels similar. Of course social media and emotions got a bit extreme though and it can easily go from I don't like it into it's the worst ever/total failure, sometimes go into the realm of delusional by using sales metric and whatnot. I do think for the purpose of mainstream success it's kind of inevitable they go the route they've taken and I do think it achieve that purpose enough, but I and I guess a lot of fans do feel it could've had "better adaptation for them". Kind of unique case in a way since most "bad adaptation" in anime is plain due to technical inadequateness. |
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