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Nekbone
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2025 11:14 pm |
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I've only used ElevenLabs casually but it's pretty dang good at replicating voices. Surely it'll be better than whatever stuff Amazon used for their dubs...
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Kougeru
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 12:54 am |
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Disgusting. There's no such thing as "ethical" use of AI. Voices agreeing is just one aspect. There's still the massive environmental, societal, and cultural damage that AI does. People like Kaji are only really thinking about themselves. He gets to do less work while AI does what should be his job, all at while screwing over the planet and the industry. I've seen people argue now they can do more roles at the same time. But that just means they're stealing opportunities from other actors too. There's no true benefit to AI. It just allows some people to be lazy while most others get screwed over. It's terrible for the industry. It's terrible for creativity. The fact that anyone is praising it and pushing for it is so vile and short-sighted.
Just look at the situation with computer parts. They're focusing so hard on AI that they're not thinking about the long-term. No one's going to be able to afford memory. Even on phones. In a few years, at this rate, people's hardware will begin to fail. Then what will happen? No one will b e able to buy new parts. No one will be able to use the AI that they spent billions building data centers for. They're not thinking about this. AI is all just one big scam for short-term profit.
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Sinxi and heylog
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 2:34 am |
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Look, AI by itself is fine, we already use some sort of AI in our lives before the word became a buzzword, The problem is that the big bois are not only pouring billions and billions and a ton of energy into it, but there basically threatening some jobs to dissappear if this AI thing continues. There looking at the AI thing as the next huge thing and pouring money and a ton of energy into Instead of looking at it like a regular thing that develops over time
What kaji is doing is fine, if he announced this thing before AI became a buzzword, nobody would bat an eye.
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FishLion
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 7:51 am |
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No, that's just not true. Synthesizing voices for other languages that try to match well known performances would always have taken small time roles away from people. They literally say that the goal is to make different language versions based on the Japanese voice actor, which means that any dub actor for every other language is put out of business.
That would definitely be wrong whether or not AI was a popular topic. Also AI are still trained to mimic people using stolen data before you train it to sound like a VA, so even if they train it on these people's data it still used stolen data to make the product that mimicks VAs.
To be honest I would rather we have a real performance done on the language track. Now that I am back into buying Blu-rays that cost a pretty penny I would certainly never shell out that much money for a lazily slapped together AI product that puts the dubbing industry out of comission with my support, especially if they expected me pay full price for a half baked dub.
They are only saying this because they know the AI dub fiasco shines a bad light on their company. If they really wanted to stop people from being used in bad, unauthorized dubs then they wouldn't be doing it only for people under their contract, they are just trying to scare us with Amazon's rogue AI behavior so we view them in a better light when they steal just as much besides the rights of a single actor, but that doesn't mean their technology doesn't exploit the work of many other actors.
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mayonakama
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 8:07 am |
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…gross. I know (or at least hope really hard) that the voice actors involved fully understand what they’re getting themselves into, but this still leaves a oily, disgusting taste in my mouth. I hope the agency/company at least has the integrity and decency to clearly label whatever they decide to use this AI on as such, so that I can avoid those works like the plague.
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Sinxi and heylog
Joined: 08 May 2025
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 8:07 am |
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| FishLion wrote: | | No, that's just not true. Synthesizing voices for other languages that try to match well known performances would always have taken small time roles away from people. They literally say that the goal is to make different language versions based on the Japanese voice actor, which means that any dub actor for every other language is put out of business.
That would definitely be wrong whether or not AI was a popular topic. Also AI are still trained to mimic people using stolen data before you train it to sound like a VA, so even if they train it on these people's data it still used stolen data to make the product that mimicks VAs.
To be honest I would rather we have a real performance done on the language track. Now that I am back into buying Blu-rays that cost a pretty penny I would certainly never shell out that much money for a lazily slapped together AI product that puts the dubbing industry out of comission with my support, especially if they expected me pay full price for a half baked dub.
They are only saying this because they know the AI dub fiasco shines a bad light on their company. If they really wanted to stop people from being used in bad, unauthorized dubs then they wouldn't be doing it only for people under their contract, they are just trying to scare us with Amazon's rogue AI behavior so we view them in a better light when they steal just as much besides the rights of a single actor, but that doesn't mean their technology doesn't exploit the work of many other actors. |
Idk if you were responding to me, but if you were, the kaji thing he did wasnt bad, unless i did not understand that article? But other than that yeah, the whole AI can be threatening to the dub industry, we will see what happens.
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Sinxi and heylog
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 8:46 am |
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| mayonakama wrote: | | …gross. I know (or at least hope really hard) that the voice actors involved fully understand what they’re getting themselves into, but this still leaves a oily, disgusting taste in my mouth. I hope the agency/company at least has the integrity and decency to clearly label whatever they decide to use this AI on as such, so that I can avoid those works like the plague. |
On the ElevenLabs website, they have something like this : Transparency
People should know when they’re interacting with AI. We’re committed to helping our users and the public understand the provenance of the content they consume.
So, yeah, dont know how this is implemented since I just found out about this company just a few hours ago.
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Stelman257
Joined: 26 Jul 2013
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 8:57 am |
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| Kougeru wrote: | | Disgusting. There's no such thing as "ethical" use of AI. Voices agreeing is just one aspect. There's still the massive environmental, societal, and cultural damage that AI does. People like Kaji are only really thinking about themselves. He gets to do less work while AI does what should be his job, all at while screwing over the planet and the industry. I've seen people argue now they can do more roles at the same time. But that just means they're stealing opportunities from other actors too. There's no true benefit to AI. It just allows some people to be lazy while most others get screwed over. It's terrible for the industry. It's terrible for creativity. The fact that anyone is praising it and pushing for it is so vile and short-sighted. |
Completely agree, big shame he's chosen to do this.
| Sinxi and heylog wrote: | | Look, AI by itself is fine, we already use some sort of AI in our lives before the word became a buzzword... What kaji is doing is fine, if he announced this thing before AI became a buzzword, nobody would bat an eye. |
Nah other voice actors have tried to pull stuff like this, like Troy Baker with the NFT situation that was basically the exact same idea that Yuki Kaiji is trying here, and were HARSHLY called out on it by both fans and peers alike. It has nothing to do with "buzzwords", people who actually care just know it's wrong and stupid.
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Sinxi and heylog
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:16 am |
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I remember the Troy baker thing, which was pretty bad, especially considering that he was collabing with a shady ass company. But idk, I dont get what kaji did wrong? Or why what he did is wrong. What i kinda meant by buzzword, is due to the fact that since AI is the way it is now, people feel threatened about it, so anything that says what kaji did will gain controversy, where in the past (5 yrs or more), it would be a nothing burger
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FishLion
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 11:15 am |
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| Sinxi and heylog wrote: | |
Idk if you were responding to me, but if you were, the kaji thing he did wasnt bad, unless i did not understand that article? But other than that yeah, the whole AI can be threatening to the dub industry, we will see what happens. |
AI is an immoral tool because it is built on stolen labor. It doesn't matter i Kaji trains it on the data of actors he has rights to, it has still stolen an unimaginable number of voice performances to be able to do that. Training a tool made from stolen work again with data you own is still stealing.
Also, people like their dub industries. Most anime fans that watch dubs have dub actors they enjoy and want to see in anime they like, even if they are critical of their performances. So replacing any number of those performances with an AI voice that is made to mimic Japanaese VAs using stolen labor is pretty bad to me. There are quite few dubs I enjoy and firing the dub actors to get a soulless robot to do a different language take on the original actor when such a person doesn't exist (the actor speaking in English and other languages) sounds like a huge downgrade and something I wouldn't give money too.
So yes, the thing Kaji is doing is bad and no amount of claiming to defend other people from AI dubs is going to make the product he's selling moral or worth my money.
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Beatdigga
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 12:22 pm |
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Until the AI bubble bursts, which seems more like a matter of when than if at this point, we will continue to see start-ups like this promising to replace humans with machines. And I fully expect a universally negative reaction.
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AiddonValentine
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 1:34 pm |
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Trying to get into this while MS just announced they're scaling back AI plans due to Copilot flopping is a sign the bubble is already bursting and now people are in a mad dash to rip the copper out of the walls. Companies panic-buying RAM and storage, it's because they're trying to negotiate a hostage deal to escape financial ruin. This whole project is stupid. May they reap what they sowed
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tuxedo-melvin
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 1:43 pm |
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| Beatdigga wrote: | | And I fully expect a universally negative reaction. |
Didn't everyone love AI Darth Vader in Fortnite and it was super popular? I think people greatly over estimate outrage on the internet when the majority of people aren't out there complaining on the internet.
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Cypher997
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 2:08 pm |
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I see this being met with hostility by voice actors and fans. Ai has been taking a chunk out of quite a number of things over the last year (CPUs, RAM, SSDs, GPUs, Dubbing, etc.) and it's only a matter of 'when' not 'if' the bubble will burst.
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TheRealMaria
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2025 2:15 pm |
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| FishLion wrote: | | Also, people like their dub industries. Most anime fans that watch dubs have dub actors they enjoy and want to see in anime they like, even if they are critical of their performances. So replacing any number of those performances with an AI voice that is made to mimic Japanaese VAs using stolen labor is pretty bad to me. |
We've seen this proven false countless times when actors are replaced in re-dubs yet nothing happens. Neon Genesis Evangelion, Mob Psycho 100, Panty and Stocking, Pokemon, Persona 3. The way people talked about shows like Panty and Stocking the dub cast was the only reason to watch the show and yet people still watched season 2 which changed everyone. The amount of people who would not watch a show or dub because of a recast is very small and companies know this. Most fans deep down probably know this true even if they want to insist otherwise. In all likelihood people will quickly abandon the old in favor of the new especially younger audiences.
| AiddonValentine wrote: | | Trying to get into this while MS just announced they're scaling back AI plans due to Copilot flopping is a sign the bubble is already bursting and now people are in a mad dash to rip the copper out of the walls. Companies panic-buying RAM and storage, it's because they're trying to negotiate a hostage deal to escape financial ruin. This whole project is stupid. May they reap what they sowed |
Misleading. Microsoft is scaling back their projections on Copilot because people are using ChatGPT and Google's Gemini instead and Microsoft is being overtaken by their competitors. That really only speaks about Microsoft and Windows 11's failures in general. It's like saying MP3 players are a dud because nobody bought a Microsoft Zune back when Apple's iPod ruled the market.
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