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Kadmos1
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Me, a Center-Right Republican, agrees that the idea of hate speech existing. Problem is that what is hate speech can be very subjective. Hate speech is often included under free speech.
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mdo7
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OK, nice to see a self-regulatory body putting a guidelines on what's considered or deciding a hate speech while at the same time protecting freedom of expression. I better hope they keep whatever they preach.
The problem for me for hate speech is that it can radicalize a person or even a group of person to carry out violence or something that lead that person(s) to commit a crime. We've seen what happened to conspiracy theory and misinformation leads to like in the case of Pizzagate. It's the same thing with extremist propaganda (which can have hate speech in there) like ISIS and Al-Qaeda. We've seen how this extremist talks and rhetorics can lead to extreme behavior like look at the shootings/assassinations of the 2 Democrats state lawmakers in Minnesota back in June. If an extremism rhetorics and dog-whistling can lead to these behaviors, it can be applied to hate speech too. Don't get me wrong, I'm a staunch believer of free speech and 1st amendment. But at the same time, we've seen the effect of hate speech that is being used in extremism propaganda and rhetorics used by politicians and terrorist organizations. I don't like censorship, but how do you prevent and stop these type of violence or terroristic acts if propaganda and rhetorics are using hate speech in them? [ REMOVED ] Moderator's Note: Stay on topic. --F |
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Yttrbio
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Putting aside the "fire in crowded theater" nonsense (which was never actually the law, just a hypothetical aside in an old opinion), or the ridiculous suggestion that radical terrorism is a problem that only happens in countries that don't prohibit hate speech, if you put the government in charge of determining what is hate speech, imagine what a leader like Donald Trump would do with that flexibility.
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Low-Angle Nakagawa
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Welcome back, Comics Code Authority
No need for hypotheticals, we already see it in action in places like the UK and EU where people get arrested for Facebook memes and criticizing Dear Leader. |
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Hellsoldier
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Here's the interesting issue: What if, for the sake of depicting a realistic hostile atmosphere towards a particular group that one of the characters belongs to, I make use of what is described (and likely is) hate speech inside the narrative?
I am concerned (as anyone should be) about hate speech, but I seriously hope that these matters, of narrative use rather than endorsement, are taken into consideration.
I'm sorry, but I have not heard of any such cases in the UK nor in the EU. Hungary maybe does it, I don't know. I could be wrong though. What I have heard of is of Hungary considering anything LGBT-related obscene, or the UK arresting people for pro-Palestinian protests. So there's definitely a problem around these parts. |
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lumclaw
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Paradoxically, an extremist interpretation of "free speech" in the long term is quite possibly even more damaging than censorship is. Websites failing to take down hate are on many levels responsible for how people like that even have a substantial platform online |
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SHD
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Hungarian here - nah, we're as close to a fascist authoritarian regime as you can possibly get within the EU, but even we don't do that. Otherwise myself and most everyone I know would be in jail for life, for, well, criticizing the Dear Leader. I've no idea what Low-Angle Nakagawa is talking about, maybe they're confusing the EU with Russia and Belarus. Or maybe they actually have no idea what's going on here, they're just going by what they see in Russian propaganda. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
No, "Hungary" doesn't consider anything LGBTQ-related obscene - for one, the regime does not equal the country (no, "we" didn't vote Orbán in, in fact last time he won by barely 52% and even that was mostly unfair and non-free); and two, even the regime doesn't say it's obscene, they're saying it's "promoting LGBTQ agenda" that we Must Protect Our Children(TM) from, so everything even mentioning any aspect of LGBTQ must be sold shrink-wrapped and set aside form books targeting under-18 people, also kids don't get proper sexual education in schools because that used to be done by NGOs but those have been banned from doing it for, y'know, perhaps mentioning homosexuality. And I could go on, but the point is, it's not an obscenity thing, it's your usual hypocritical pearl-clutching. (Must protect our kids from evil LGBTQ agenda, but actual pedophiles and other abusers having access to the most vulnerable children is perfectly fine, apparently... somehow there seems to be a lot of them among regime ghouls.) |
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VORTIA
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It kills me to see how lost we've become on this argument in the past twenty years - hate groups have always thrived on the mystique of being forbidden - it allows them to posture themselves aa holders of a dangerous truth & "your friend" against an "oppressive" system. These clowns were completely irrelevant online until.everyone rushed to shut them up a decade ago, and suddenly they're everywhere because you can't kill an idea but you can make yourself look afraid of one. Point & laugh at their stupidity & move on - their words are powerless unless you give them power. Last edited by VORTIA on Thu Dec 25, 2025 10:18 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Fluwm
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“Moderating hate speech produces more hate speech” is a helluva take.
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Souther
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Being from the UK, we’ve had some arrested for online hate speech/memes that incite hatred (see the likes of Pete North and Lucy Connolly). Whether you agree with their arrests or not, if that’s what they’re referring to, then they’re omitting details for obvious reasons. Last edited by Souther on Mon Dec 22, 2025 6:59 am; edited 1 time in total |
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kgw
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Another European here: I have no idea what you're talking about, and it's clear that you don't have it either. Which Dear Leader? 
I wonder why do people from countries that have never experienced living under a 'communist dictatorship' or 'fascist regime' think they can tell us what 'censorship' or 'free speech in danger' means. Oh yeah, the Korean government and webtoons. I am sure nothing will change, especially since they are very keen for the sector to continue working well. There are public funds available to license webtoons overseas, according to a Spanish publisher. |
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jdnation
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It has been applicable to nearly any long term establishment ones ranging from the centre to the left. Even low level bureaucrats. It is selectively enforced depending on the inconvenience of the issue to the ruling parties, and specific words used, which range from "retard" to "fat" to harsher words and descriptions of persons to vague expressions of violenct rhetoric. Of course, any threats or hate-speech targeted at anyone perceived on the "right" or labelled "far-right" is given a free pass, though the victims on the right side of the spectrum are more tolerable of verbal abuse hurled their way out of principle, and are less likely to frivolously report it, unless it is something that's a genuinely serious threat. But there are groups the establishment expects and demands you are allowed to verbally hate within specific contexts; like ethnic white men. But generally these rules are more applicable to protected approved groups categories than specific persons, for example, harsh criticism of specific ethnic groups overrepresented in crime statistics. Examples are numerous, and stories even infamouly known to people outside of Europe, so unless you only watch mainstream state-approved networks, so it's odd that you wouldn't know about it. You don't have to live under an obvious communist system, the errors of Communism can easily be adopted and implemented in various ways under democratically elected regimes, or economic blocs such as the EU. As regarding this Korean board, if it is just a labeling system for customer info, and not a ban-list, then it might be tolerable. |
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Tamer Sakura
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The problem always comes down to who gets to decide what "hate speech" and "inappropriate expressions" are. Is criticizing the ruling government or wrong people "inappropriate expression"? Will "hate speech" be treated equally or are some groups fair game as we often see from these types of regulations. As a general rule limiting what stories artists can tell sucks. There's plenty of manga out there people would love nothing more than to erase because they don't like the way certain elements are portrayed or told.
...You guys arrested someone for saying "fudge Hamas"? 
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Hellsoldier
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It's interesting to point out that South Korea itself has very poor anti-discrimination laws. So I wonder where all of this came from. They tepidly protect gender and disability under those laws, but that's it.
Well, I've read about Lucy Connolly's case specifically, and whilst I'm not sure about arrest, she is a... *ahem*. Sorry about that. Her comment was uncalled for.
Well, you can still access RT online so... That figures.
I stand corrected, and of course, I did not mean to speak ill of Hungary and the Hungarian people. I am fully aware of how massive the Budapest Pride Parade was. Much like I don't collectively judge Russians (I've met a Russian girl once, and I know her thoughts on Conservatism and Warfare; sadly she doesn't have much space to express any of those views right now). Also, authoritarians sure "love" children, don't they? That pattern seems to repeat itself with all the authoritarian entities I can think of.
Taking into consideration the fact that the Iberian Peninsula was one of the most recent regions in Europe to become democratic, I find this amusing. But sadly, Americans, including hundreds of millions who never asked for this, are now tasting little samples of authoritarianism, in ever increasing amounts. |
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