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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:40 am Reply with quote
Awaiting the crush of "I don't have / can't afford Anime Network, so clearly I must get these shows illegally" posts. I see it's already underway on Twitter (though it's not clear if these are exclusive streaming licenses?)

Seems like there might be a story here in Anime Network making a strategic move in the wake of the Crunchyroll/Funimation tie-up. Since we're talking about the scattered remains of what was once ADV (and since Anime Network, Sentai Filmworks, and Section 23 Films are all subsidiaries of AEsir Media), and since AN's catalog consists almost entirely of Sentai shows, it's hard not to think of AN and Sentai as being one and the same.

Hypothesis: maybe we're past a tipping point where streaming now matters than home video, so the old model of "watch it on Crunchyroll, buy it from Sentai" doesn't work anymore, and they have to turn around the neglected Anime Network? And getting some exclusives is how you do that? Keep in mind that a bunch of popular Sentai shows like Angel Beats disappeared from Crunchyroll a few months back too.

Problem for a lot of people is going to be that AN doesn't have a free-with-ads option like Crunchy and Funimation do -- it's subscribe-or-GTFO. Which is a shame, but understandable: selling ads is hard, and ad-insertion into streams is hard too.

Upside: maybe people like me who've subscribed to both Crunchy and Funi can drop one of those with their new arrangement, and that would free up $7/month to join AN? It's not a bad idea, and certainly the right time to make a move, but if that's the case, AN could put a better face on it by, say, talking up the depth of their library, and not just snagging exclusives (if these are indeed exclusive to AN).

And that's enough barely-informed armchair punditry from me. Maybe Zac and Justin will ring in with their take soon enough.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:49 am Reply with quote
Yeah, I was sort of afraid the Funi/CR deal would result in Sentai no longer using CR as a streaming platform. I have subs to Funi, CR and Netflix. Might have to add AN to the mix, now. My main problem with that, beyond the additional expense, is that my attempts to use it as a guest was really problematic in terms of things loading up, etc. Hope that stuff has been ironed out.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:11 am Reply with quote
At least one of the shows, ClassicaLoid, will also be streaming on Hulu, though no word yet on when. Uta no Prince-sama, will also be on Crunchyroll. There haven't been any announcements on the rest yet.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:22 am Reply with quote
invalidname wrote:

Hypothesis: maybe we're past a tipping point where streaming now matters than home video, so the old model of "watch it on Crunchyroll, buy it from Sentai" doesn't work anymore, and they have to turn around the neglected Anime Network? And getting some exclusives is how you do that? Keep in mind that a bunch of popular Sentai shows like Angel Beats disappeared from Crunchyroll a few months back too.

The biggest issue for TAN seems to be one of awareness. A lot of people either aren't aware of them, or even if they are, tend not to think of them.

They were doing legal streaming before CR (and of course well before Funimation), but between the 3 services, they have the lowest public awareness. The problem is, I've never seen them do much to turn this around, and I seriously doubt grabbing a few titles per season would be the answer.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:40 am Reply with quote
I've said this elsewhere but Sentai is more or less leaving these shows out to die with a legal audience if they strand them on TAN. Not only are these shows not big enough names to attract people to the platform but frankly I think it's a plenty valid concern to not want recurring subscriptions on a swath of services.

I currently have CR and Funi (although will be re-evaluating Funi based on the partnership come my renewal in December, just not into most dub content). I'm really not interested nor do I have the means to pay for more. It's not good for the industry to be splintered across so many platforms and I'm not going to support it.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:49 am Reply with quote
dragonrider_cody wrote:
At least one of the shows, ClassicaLoid, will also be streaming on Hulu, though no word yet on when. Uta no Prince-sama, will also be on Crunchyroll. There haven't been any announcements on the rest yet.


I'm hoping they are also going to Hulu, though ClassicaLoid is the only one I have any confidence I will watch.

I had an AN subscription a few years back but the dearth of exclusive simulcasts by the time I cancelled made it not worth it to me. I would switch my Funi subscription for AN but I'm already planning on switching that for Daisuki. I'll have to see how things play out so I can decide which subscriptions to add. That's why I'm hoping AN's titles go to Hulu as I already have that subscription.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:56 am Reply with quote
Fascinating; I stay away from the CR website like it had a virus so my end use of Section23 shows was always after the mandatory four week wait... because one week's never good enough... CR put on shows they both licensed.

So Hulu's done and just about out, YahooView is out of the question... because, just because... and I guess the deal with TubiTV didn't work out. So that leaves the Anime Network which is less about streaming and more about being an On Demand cable network.

Yeah, could be a problem.

I stream Funimation so I no longer have to buy their DVDs. I used to subscribe to Anime on Demand... huh, I've more shows on their than Funimation's site; it's a lot easier to try new shows when you're only given new shows rather than everything*... but I've found it's a lot easier to blind buy the BDs and sell the ones I don't want.

The one that I've been selling were Funimation ones, double huh.

Anyway, I don't think the problem will be one of visibility or even piracy but rather habit. "I've gotten use to this so why do I have to deal with that?" My own position is a wait and see one; Section23's gone through 3 different streaming services this year as their first run "this gets us all the money" service and my hopes aren't high that their fourth one will hit the sweet spot. If they were smart or a little more desperate, they would have gone to Netflix but...

I miss Hulu. I think that every time I kickstart Funimationnow, Netflix and that one time I tried CR.

* Everything meaning just two episodes of newly released dubbed series. So you have to wait for the rest for arbitrary physical release reasons because "2006 is forever!"
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:01 am Reply with quote
I was really looking forward to trying Matoi & FlipFlappers, so I guess I'll be getting an Anime Network subscription this season (unless they stream it with Crunchyroll too for some reason at the last minute, but that seems unlikely at this point)

They found my one weakness - weird original magical girl stories.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:29 am Reply with quote
Just as I was celebrating the fact that piracy is becoming unnecessary thanks to Funimation getting out of the competition and Crunchyroll actually streaming their shows worldwide (even the ones they're getting together with Funi!), this happens.
Or so I thought. I didn't know TAN streamed outside the US. The problem is, though, do I have to pay in dollars? When I try to register an account it only shows the price in USD and there doesn't seem to be any place with regional prices. That would be way too expensive. I'm not paying three times the price I do with CR for about one tenth of the shows they have.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:31 am Reply with quote
Well, hopefully Crunchyroll will be streaming these too since they are doing Uta prince. I wanted to try out Classicaloid and I dropped Hulu this past summer since they stopped simulcasting anything but the big shonen shows and I had worked my way through a good chunk of their backlog already.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:08 am Reply with quote
Girlish Number, Classicaloid, Flip Flappers, and Matoi the Slayer where four of the series I was waiting to see if they got picked up well now they did and I've got now three services I'm paying for. It's worth it so I don't mind
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:08 am Reply with quote
People should not be as surprised by these developments. I am sure Sentai wants these titles to stream on Crunchyroll to give them more exposure, but there are licensing issues. We might not like it, but in this ever evolving anime industry, Sentai is doing what they can to remain a viable anime distributor.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:42 am Reply with quote
Seeing the use of TAN in reference to the Anime Network here in this thread, made me realize something.

TAN is not a fan sub group. Remember seeing the TAN tag on some fan sub titles some years ago. Thought it was a fan sub group at the time.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 1:44 pm Reply with quote
kawaiibunny3 wrote:
I was really looking forward to trying Matoi & FlipFlappers, so I guess I'll be getting an Anime Network subscription this season (unless they stream it with Crunchyroll too for some reason at the last minute, but that seems unlikely at this point)

They found my one weakness - weird original magical girl stories.


Lol, ditto. Those and Girlish Number. I actually got TAN a few days ago specifically to watch Hidamari Sketch, but hey, this'll keep me around longer, I guess. I hope the best for this platform, but I am also super annoyed with the fragmentation in this business now. I understand why it is how it is, but it would still be certainly more ideal from a consumer perspective to have as much as possible in one place as possible. Also, I feel like making these exclusive to their service is going to have an unfortunate effect on their future success. TAN just doesn't have the audience awareness that it needs, and these shows need to be in a place that as many people as possible can see. Maybe CR isn't offering them the amount of money they want, or something, but man, they can really do the job with free advertising and having such a massive user base. If your show isn't on CR these days, I think you're going to see a noticeable hit in its popularity, with the exception of already very main stream titles like Kabaneri.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:46 pm Reply with quote
I still hope that crunchyroll will be able to stream three of the titles that sentai got but if they don't then they will just have to be put on the back burner until I clear out my queue on Funimation. Which may take awhile.
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