Forum - View topicINTEREST: BL Manga Café Closes Due to Safety Concerns Around Male Non-Customers
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Rosikota
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Having a BL manga cafe that's women-only???
They obsess over men on men action but don't even allow any men in there?? And then close down because "men are coming in". If the men are suspicious, that's fair, but I have a VERY big problem with a BL cafe being women-only |
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Top Gun
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Did they...did they try talking to these male visitors to find out what they were doing? This seems incredibly bizarre.
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mrsatan
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Vague non-explanations like this are common in Japan and also extremely annoying.
There's more to this story that they're not telling. |
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Ming Yi
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I looked through the replies of the original tweet and it's a mixed bag. Some guys who are also BL fans are rightfully criticizing the decision, while others are saying it's because the employees and customers are suspicious that men who "don't seem to have a reason for being here" are coming in the middle of the night.
I also looked at the Twitter bio of the manga cafe -- it seems to be aimed at women clientele only because it was designed to make women feel comfortable reading manga there, without people spying on them. |
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Blanchimont
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Not sure about Japan, but as far I know about US at least, if it's a public establishment you can't ban based on gender, but if it's a private club then you can, ie for example in US a gay bar can't legally ban women customers unless it's private or an association, and there has been such cases. As said I don't know about Japan, for example in Australia a gay bar did indeed win a case to ban women from its premises... |
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Changeman
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If it was a yuri café for men, I'm pretty sure if the genders were different, they'd call it misogyny, there would be a twitter scandal and in the end the cafe owner would apologize and say he's going to try to create an environment where everyone can feel comfortable.
It is really difficult to achieve a future of gender equality when there is such differentiated treatment. Japan is really a childish country, which doesn't know when it's necessary to maintain a posture for being right or to apologize when wrong. |
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R3solve
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Are we thinking the owner is uncomfortable with real gay men trying to meet up via their cafe where people read stories centering around gay men?
I get the feeling there’s more than is being said, like when a landlord goes out of their way to conceal the race of a tenant they kicked out over some dumb shit so they don’t get called racist. Maybe they’re just secretly homophobic. Or maybe the female customers were creeped out by actually creepy guys who really had no reason to be there. Whenever I see these vague PR releases I assume the worst of the company/owner/whatever. Unless there are victims to protect, hiding anything is suspicious as hell. |
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SHD
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I'll just say, if I had a penny for every guy I've known who claimed to be huge "yaoi fans" to get close to girls they wanted to sleep with, I'd be a richer person than I am now.
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ranran-001
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It kind of depends what the set up is. The word cafe is misleading because in the west cafe means a place to eat and drink and converse like a starbucks. Not all cafes in Japan resemble a starbucks or mcdonalds etc.
There are manga cafes that double as unofficial hotels for people who can't afford a downtown apartment. In setups like that, there are private rooms no bigger than a a few square yards, and they have gender divided sections for customer safety. If that's the case, I can see why the management had to close it down. If on the other hand the BL cafe is just some regular place to eat drink and read BL oriented books, with no private booths/rooms, then shame on them. |
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Peebs
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Men are the reason why we can't have nice things. Sigh.
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mewpudding101
Industry Insider
 Posts: 2206 Location: Tokyo, Japan |
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There are plenty of members-only bars here, so I’m guessing it’s possible. There are also female-only rock concerts here for girls who feel uncomfortable going otherwise. Also, this is the country that allows landlords to deny housing to foreigners just based on their name sounding foreign. |
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TarsTarkas
 Posts: 5824 Location: Virginia, United States |
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If we are being charitable then this sounds like it is a cafe tailored to women customers who are yuri fans. So they were trying to create a comfortable setting for women. We all know if you allow men in to the mix, then it will no longer be a comfortable setting for women. Since they couldn't keep the men out, they closed shop since it was no longer a comfortable setting for women.
There is nothing racist about that. All the adult men here should already know, that they are plenty of men that are down right evil, bad, and creepy. There is no shortage of them. That is an inescapable fact. There is a reason that women have separate restroom facilities, locker rooms, and showers from men. To protect them from us. So I have no problem with other countries trying to make safe places for women. Even though you can't do it in the United States. The reality is that women deserve these safe places. |
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Blanchimont
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Those traits aren't reserved for only one gender. In the Australian case mentioned above, the reason the gay bar went ahead with the ban despite the outcry was specifically because of the behavior of some of those women... |
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HueyLion
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It's Japan, should we really be surprise how bizarre they can get? |
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whiskeyii
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I’ve never really understood the outcry around women being banned from gay bars specifically. Unless we’re using “gay” as a catch-all term for “gay and lesbians” here, yeah, I can *absolutely* see why gay guys would want to be able to hang out in a space away from cis women, who really, truly don’t have anything to do with their social stratosphere. There’s enough cultural context that I think we can allow for some exclusivity here, especially from the more privileged classes. >.> As for this case, who knows. If it’s meant to be the BL library equivalent of a women’s-only gym, well, Japan doesn’t really have a super great track record of men respecting women’s boundaries (not trying to throw shade, just pointing out a valid cultural concern here), so I can see why an increased male presence would be problematic—it’d basically be like if you had a bunch of dudes hanging right outside your all-female gym at night. Potentially harmless, sure, but running pretty much straight against your clientele’s whole reason for being there. |
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