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REVIEW: The History of Hentai Manga




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wolf10



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:07 pm Reply with quote
Testing my trivia knowledge...
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who first drew the blurred nipple to indicate movement
I believe spoiler[Hiroya Oku] is commonly credited with that particular invention, but I'm curious if it actually goes back further.

This sounds like a fun read aimed at very specific kinds of people. Looks like it even has a physical release so I can shelve it with the textbooks. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:21 pm Reply with quote
wolf10 wrote:
Testing my trivia knowledge...
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who first drew the blurred nipple to indicate movement
I believe spoiler[Hiroya Oku] is commonly credited with that particular invention, but I'm curious if it actually goes back further.


That's what I'd thought too, but it turns out that spoiler[both Hiroya Oku and Hiroyuki Utatane came up with it separately but in the same year.] Who knew? Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:56 pm Reply with quote
Princess_Irene wrote:
That's what I'd thought too, but it turns out that spoiler[both Hiroya Oku and Hiroyuki Utatane came up with it separately but in the same year.] Who knew? Laughing
That's kind of deep, actually. I think I can accept being half right.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:10 pm Reply with quote
It's really great that a Japanese academic work like this has been localized, and it makes sense that Fakku would be the one to release this particular book (both because of what they publish and how seriously they take it). I hope that this won't be the last such book that we see. Thank you for the informative review!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 6:57 pm Reply with quote
I read this when it first released and I have to say that I am disappointed. The author does include copious amounts of research material and the depths to which he goes to explore some of the symbols makes this a very informative reading.

Unfortunately, the translation stumbles for me. It isn’t that the book overuses academic lexicon; it’s that no sentence feels like something an English speaker would say. I had to re-read some paragraphs two, three times to get the point. I enjoyed reading this but the way it was translated to English made it rather difficult to fully enjoy. Agree with everything you said about some aspects lacking, like the part about trying to bring in female ero-manga fans.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:26 pm Reply with quote
This isn't the usual reading material that I find compelling after reading your review I am somewhat curious about the book that in itself is a feat I suppose.
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wolf10 wrote:
Testing my trivia knowledge...
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who first drew the blurred nipple to indicate movement
I believe spoiler[Hiroya Oku] is commonly credited with that particular invention, but I'm curious if it actually goes back further.

This sounds like a fun read aimed at very specific kinds of people. Looks like it even has a physical release so I can shelve it with the textbooks. Laughing


There may be examples of similar expressions as a result. However, we believe that these two were the first to express themselves intentionally. Very Happy
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wolf10



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:32 pm Reply with quote
kimirito wrote:
There may be examples of similar expressions as a result. However, we believe that these two were the first to express themselves intentionally. Very Happy
!!!!!!!! Thank you for the entirely unexpected response! Embarassed

I hope you had as much fun researching this subject as I think you did. My copy is still in the mail, but I'm looking forward to reading it.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:52 pm Reply with quote
wolf10 wrote:

I hope you had as much fun researching this subject as I think you did.


I second this! I read a lot of literary criticism, but few authors seem to have had as much fun with their subjects as you seem to have had. Smile

And thank you so much for dropping by to respond!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:39 pm Reply with quote
Wow, color me curious! This is definitely a subject I've been interested in -- I've toyed with the idea of tracking down old hentai productions starting from the 80s (70s?) to get a feel for the changes in art style between each decade, but the time investment required always felt too daunting to start. Going to give this a read for sure!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:24 am Reply with quote
Because of this review, I am definitely curious on reading this! The "moe" concept also came up on Mark McLelland's (rest in peace, my favorite researcher) book entitled Boys Love Manga and Beyond. It makes me curious if there is a correlation between moe and lolicon. Because both emerged in the 1970s, the golden age of manga experimentation after all. At that time, mangakas would take a main genre (shoujo manga for example) and branch out a few more subgenre of it.

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The text mostly tracks eromanga from the 1970s through today, looking at trends, emerging expressions, and the ways that censorship and international attention and translation have affected the genre, and in this it is fascinating.

Totally agree with this, because even in doujinshi, censorship was important just so it can also be a borderline to an 'acceptable' manga to sell. This also applies to other erotic manga like doujinshi, yaoi, yuri, etc... and I am definitely not surprised that Kimi-san's attempt to connect and research more on more female-oriented eromanga isn't successful. I mean, I believe that his data gathering here is not sufficient, unless he was able to immerse himself to this type of eromanga for years. Of course, the other struggling problem here is his perspective on the material -- (i'm not being a sexist here or anything, but seeing it as a researcher) he's a guy. Unless, he has maybe interviewed a few more female readers, he could make his research on this clearer.

Nonetheless, this review seriously made me get the book and will devour this awesome reading later! And based from the review, it's still good that he did make an attempt on this! Thank you for this awesome book review! <3
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:23 pm Reply with quote
SenpaiDuckie wrote:
... and I am definitely not surprised that Kimi-san's attempt to connect and research more on more female-oriented eromanga isn't successful. I mean, I believe that his data gathering here is not sufficient, unless he was able to immerse himself to this type of eromanga for years. Of course, the other struggling problem here is his perspective on the material -- (i'm not being a sexist here or anything, but seeing it as a researcher) he's a guy. Unless, he has maybe interviewed a few more female readers, he could make his research on this clearer.


You're right - there's just so much material to go through that it would be almost impossible to cover all things for all people, even sticking to a male/female binary with regards to intended audience. And erotica, manga or prose (or verse, for that matter), really does tend to get sorted by gender of audience when it comes to scholarship; I believe almost all of the genre criticism about western romance novels that I've read is written by women about a genre largely stereotyped as being exclusively for women. That's not to say that I don't believe that a man could write well on the topic; just that I haven't seen many try. I would be very interested to see Kimi's take on the chapters about "forceful romance" (i.e. rape fantasy) in books about the genre when it's aimed at women; such chapters exist in Dangerous Men, Adventurous Women edited by Jayne Ann Krentz and Beyond Heaving Bosoms by Candy Tan and Sarah Wendell, if anyone is curious. (And in others, but those are the easiest to get a hold of!)

I'm really glad people have enjoyed the review, and I hope Kimi's book can encourage more scholarship on the subject!
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