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josue98



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 10:12 am Reply with quote
I haven't seen too many anime series, yet. But from the series' I have seen so far it really bugs me to hear the same actors over and over again. I may not know them by name but thier voices are easily recognizable.

For example: Spike from Cowboy Bepop is also in Big O, Escaflowne and others without any change in the tone of his voice. Every new series I see has at least one voice I've heard somewhere before.

Even worse is when (like in DB-DBZ for example) you here the same actor doing multiple voices in the same show! The problem is that they do a horrible job "disguising" their voices.

These repetitiuos voices are not bad, it's just that you feel like your seeing (or hearing in this case) another character in a new role.

Is the anime industry that short on actors? If it is I wouldn't mind doing some voice acting, even if its just as an extra. I wouldn't care about getting paid a lot, I'd just like to contribute. But that's just me.

Is anyone else bothered by this constant recycling of actors, or more specifically, voices?


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Hotaru's Sister



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 10:37 am Reply with quote
Yes yes. Many a time I have watched a new series, heard a dub voice and said "Well hello Picolo, nice to hear you again."

There are alot of companies in the US which handle many series, and unfortunately it's not possible for them to get new VA's for every series. The same thing occurs with japanese tracks, but most people don't notice because they just hear japanese, not the voices. Still, I think they do a better job of altering their voices to suit the roles.

Of course, sometimes the dub is just poorly planned, and they use the same VA's over and over again. For a good example of this, watch the last episode of Golden Boy's dub. All the women are voiced by like 2 VA's, and when you hear them all in the same 1/2 hour it's very noticable.

As for getting into the VA industry, try reading some VA interviews. They almost always give tips on it. What sad is that many of the people on this forum could do better voice acting than some of the people out there, but we'd never be hired.

Another point to consider is the directing. My main problem with the Steel Angel Kurumi wasn't with the actual voices, but with how they were told to use their voices, making them very out of character. But I digress, and I've given you more info they you wanted to know.
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radioactivemouse



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 1:41 pm Reply with quote
Well look at it this way: If you're going to make a living being a voice actor, you certainly don't want to voice just one title. Voice actors do different shows CAUSE THEY DO IT FOR A LIVING.

It's the real world. You do a good job on one project, you're going to be asked to do another project. We all can't live in a world where there's a different voice actor for each and every single character out there. The industry is not short of voice actors, they're just trying to pay the bills.
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Craeyst Raygal



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 2:26 pm Reply with quote
Two things I'd like to bring to your attention.

One: The best voice actors are the ones who get the most work. People like Crispin Freeman, David Lucas, Wendee Lee, and Jessica Calvello are always in high demand because they can actually act.

Two: It happens in Japan as well. The best examples I can give are Kikuo Inoue and Takehito Koyasu. These people have resumes a mile long. They're excellent actors with a great range of abilty, so they can keep coming back to act again.

If the voice fits, don't argue. That's all I can say.
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Emerje



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 5:28 pm Reply with quote
Also studios are more likely to use their own common acters. Big O, Cowboy Bebop, and Escaflowne are all done by Banday. It's a lot easier to take a VA and rather than hold auditions all the time to just sign them up for multiple roles. Soley working as a VA hardly pays the bills, these people try to snag just as may roles as they can get.

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drakh



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 6:49 pm Reply with quote
josue98 wrote:
I haven't seen too many anime series, yet. But from the series' I have seen so far it really bugs me to hear the same actors over and over again. I may not know them by name but thier voices are easily recognizable.

Good voice actors, particularly those good at lip-syncing and cold reading, don't grow on trees, so those who have prooven themselves reliable end up getting cast repetedly. And the actors themselves need the work to make a living.
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For example: Jet from Cowboy Bepop is also in Big O, Escaflowne and others without any change in the tone of his voice.

Bad example. John Billingslea played Jet, but I haven't seen him credited in Big O, and being a Los Angeles actor he was most certainly not in Escaflowne (which was dubbed in Vancouver, Canada).
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Even worse is when (like in DB-DBZ for example) you here the same actor doing multiple voices in the same show!

This is purely a money issue. The pay scale for the dubbing companies varries, but for some there's considerable start-up fee they have to pay even if the character just one line, so giving it to someone already in the recording booth can be up to 100 times cheaper. That's not to say the company paying for the dub can't cough up extra money for more actors if they want too.
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Ataru



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 8:45 pm Reply with quote
Yeah, I hate it when *Insert Actor/Actoress* appear in *Insert two or more TV Series/Movies that they are in.* *Yawn*
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Abyss



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 9:24 pm Reply with quote
Only once did me recognizing the voice of an actor actully cause me a little bit of trouble when watching a series and that was when I first watched Nadesico and realized that Spike Spencer was the voice of Akito. Since the character even looks alot like Shinji it was a little unsettling, but I forgot about it after like 3 episodes.

I was actully a little suprised to see Amanda Lee's name pop up as the voice of Mimiru in .hack cause she sounds nothing like Rei from Eva or Momiji from Blue Seed. I really like Amanda, I think she has done a great job in everything I have seen so far. No matter what people say about Mimiru Very Happy
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Saturn



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 10:47 pm Reply with quote
a lot of american VAs have groups of dedicated fans, just like the japanese ones-- i have a friend who is OBSESSED with kirby morrow (Trowa in Gundam wing, Miroku in Inuyasha, Van in Escaflowne) so much that she will buy any series he's in and go to any con that he goes to. and she's not the only person like that. so, really, there are a lot of people who enjoy hearing the same VAs in different series, just like there are those that hate it; but its easier to cater to those who like the voices. if ocean studios can get chicks to buy anime that brad swaile acts in, why wouldn't they?
also, i think spike from CB and roger from Big O are the same actor, right?
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Emerje



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2003 3:28 am Reply with quote
Abyss wrote:
Only once did me recognizing the voice of an actor actully cause me a little bit of trouble when watching a series and that was when I first watched Nadesico and realized that Spike Spencer was the voice of Akito. Since the character even looks alot like Shinji it was a little unsettling, but I forgot about it after like 3 episodes.


Shinji and Akito look a lot alike? I don't see it, I've never thought they look that much alike, I think it's just having Spike Spencer doing both voices puts the idea into peoples heads. Shinji is a usually frightened 13 year old school kid when he isn't piloting EVA 01 while Akito is an 18 year old cook from Mars when he isn't piloting his Aestivalis. Nadesico and Evangelion aren't even remotly alike.

Sorry about that, but I get a bit uptight when people try to compare the two.

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Zac
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2003 8:13 am Reply with quote
"Nadesico and Evangelion aren't remotely alike"

Except that Nadesico is intended to be a parody of Evangelion. It stands on its own, but it shares MANY similar qualities with Evangelion, and that's done completely on purpose.

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Emerje



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2003 7:40 pm Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
"Nadesico and Evangelion aren't remotely alike"

Except that Nadesico is intended to be a parody of Evangelion. It stands on its own, but it shares MANY similar qualities with Evangelion, and that's done completely on purpose.

-Zac


Yeah, realize that, but I like to think of Nadesico as Eva's polar opposite. While several of the characters could be compared to others superficially (Akito to Shinji, Yuri to Rei), characterization wise they're very different characters. It becomes such a loose parody that it becomes more like a Gundam parody than an Eva Parody where you'd be able to comapare NERGAL to the Earth Federation (mixed with NERV) and the Jovians to Zeon. An Aesitivalis looks like something that Go Nagai and Yoshiyuki Tomino would colaborate on, not at all like the bio-organic EVAs. Nadesico eventualy parodies so many different things that it takes on it's own life in many ways. To only compare it to Eva doesn't do the series justice. A person expecting to watch Nadesico as a comical alternative to Eva are going to be disapointed, a person watching it as a comical mecha series are going to be very pleased.

Of course that's one man's oppinion, your millage very likly varies.

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jmays
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2003 8:26 pm Reply with quote
If anything is Eva's polar opposite, it's Brain Powered. I'd go into a long list of comparisions, but hold on for a few days...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:56 am Reply with quote
Saturn wrote:

also, i think spike from CB and roger from Big O are the same actor, right?


Yes, both Bebop's Spike and Big O's Roger Smith share the voice of the inimitable David Lucas.
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Abyss



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:09 am Reply with quote
Emerje wrote:
Shinji and Akito look a lot alike? I don't see it, I've never thought they look that much alike, I think it's just having Spike Spencer doing both voices puts the idea into peoples heads. Shinji is a usually frightened 13 year old school kid when he isn't piloting EVA 01 while Akito is an 18 year old cook from Mars when he isn't piloting his Aestivalis. Nadesico and Evangelion aren't even remotly alike.

Sorry about that, but I get a bit uptight when people try to compare the two.

Emerje


Thats actully my point. I love Nadesico, it is one of my favorites. I was saying that the fact that Spike did the voice for Shinji and Akito put the idea in my head that they were trying to make a joke at Shinji. But after about 3 episodes, I didn't even think about that fact anymore. I wasn't comparing Nadesico to Eva, take a chill pill man Very Happy
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