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Wolverine Princess
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I saw numerous show listed on both of those lists, and some of the obviously shounen series on the seinen one were probably put on there by immature fanboys thinking, "It is violant lol!! Not for childrans undr age 10 bcus I am 11!" I removed some of the shows from the seinen list. I don't know what magazine they ran in, but FLCL and Cowboy Bebop? Come on. EDIT: I'm not a very net-savvy person, but how do I edit the paragraphs at the top of the page on wikipedia? I want to get rid of this part:
EVERY show that has two males characters is open to yaoi fans slashing characters in their fanfiction, regardless of how ugly, masculine (and by this I mean angry, beefy Dragon Ball Z-type men), and "un-bishounen like" the general public perceives the characters to be or popular the series is. There is yaoi fanfiction for almost every anime with at least two men ever created. Her name has slipped my mind, but you know that girl from Genshiken with a fetish for old anime men? There really are people like her in real life. |
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Koda89
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I have to go with Bleach as my favorite, with Naruto at second and FMA at third.
I'm going with Bleach, because it is a new twist on the Grim Reaper, by taking his job, and splitting it amongst several hundred people. Also the sword fighting isn't bad either. Naruto is second, because it is a new twist on ninjas, and it is like Dragon Ball Z, without the repetitiveness. Naruto lost some cool points with me, because of the never ending fillers..... 
I put FMA in third, because, while it DOES give a new meaning to Alchemy, and the characters are great, the show gets a little melodramatic at some points, and I actually found myself dozing off during a few episodes. It is nice to see a Shounen focused on the story, rather than the fighting, but......FMA has a little too much story and not enough action, so it can get boring at times. It is still good, though. |
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selenta
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I can vouch for that, I've met them, they do in fact exist. |
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Fui
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I'm not sure if the OP has the right idea about shounen anime. Most anime is probably shounen. Even shows like Choibits, Love Hina, and Azumanga Daioh are shounen. That said, I'd probably have to say Beck was my favorite shounen series. I like series with minimal fanservice and more believeable scenarios. I enjoy mech and fighting scenes, but the story should at least be believable and more importantly, well-told.
I think the anime that comes from Shonen Jump (this is probably closer to what you had in mind) could actually be pretty good if only they cut out the ridiculous fillers and self-invented BS storylines. Each one I've seen has led to a huge disappointment in the end for me, though. Sometimes a strong fanbase can make production companies do some pretty bad things.
I think she actually had a fetish for bald men (sunglasses being an added bonus?), not necessarily old men. So she probably swoons over someone like Rude from FF7. Great show btw. It gave such a fun look into otaku culture that kind of dispelled some of my negative bias against it. |
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dormcat
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Kanako Ohno.
I'm afaid that I can't agree. Using Shonen Jump as an example: shounen manga or anime has an almost stereotypical pattern:
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frentymon
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Really? Nowadays, for every good anime produced, there seems to be three to five cliche and cheesy fan-servicey harems. Or are there even more "tsuyoku naritai" type anime? |
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dormcat
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I was talking about total numbers. Just like you said, newer titles often are / contain fan-servicey harems. This is a trend starting from late 1990s. We see less and less traditional "tsuyoku naritai" titles. Why? The decline of "tsuyoku naritai" and the emerging of "smartass" titles reflect the recession of Japanese economy. Before the breaking up of bubble economy in late 80s, Japanese believe in "ugly duckling" i.e. "work hard and you'll be successful" (self-administered "Arbeit macht frei"?). However, many hard-working middle aged persons, who had done nothing wrong in their career records and might have sacrificed many personal enjoyments e.g. spending more time with families, found themselves jobless only because his company bankrupted or simply wanted to reduce expenses. Thus, young men no longer admire fictional characters who are hard-working ugly ducklings. Rather, they want to 1) enjoy your life while you can  harem, or 2) be smart, cunning, and manipulative as early as possible; to hell with friendships and justice "smartass characters."
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Gauss
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Wolverine Princess, you really should have stopped and at least asked what other people think is seinen before removing anything on that Wikipedia list. There's nothing "come on" about FLCL and Cowboy Bebop. Most people do think of them as seinen shows (just as with others that you removed, most notably Aria). Just because the fairly young might also enjoy a show doesn't mean it's automatically shounen. Seinen is a fairly diffuse term and sometimes it takes a bit of experience to figure out the faultlines separating shounen from seinen. A good start is to look at what Dormcat writes about stereotypical shounen shows. Cowboy Bebop is clearly not anything like that, and the story itself has a more adult "feel" to it. The big tell-tale sign of course is that the three main characters are all grown-up (Ed is more of an important side character). Shounen almost always features teenagers. FLCL does feature teenagers but it's brand of comedy and story telling is more mature than most shounen shows. |
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dormcat
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Why, thanks, Gauss. A seinen title has several distinct differences from a shounen title:
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Fui
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dormcat if they're not shounen why are they listed as them anywhere you look? I was under the impression that shounen in anime/manga means that the target audience is young and teenage males. I know the most common and usually popular type of shounen anime is the Naruto kind of thing you'd find in Shonen Jump (and has almost all of the elements you listed). So, are the other titles that don't follow that general formula but listed as them not shounen?
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dormcat
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I edited my previous post a little, removing Chobits, Love Hina, and Azumanga in your quote I included. While Chobits and Love Hina fit "shounen harem romance" sub-genre, Azumanga (and many manga-turned-anime titles serialized in MediaWorks' Dengeki magazines) needs some special attention. A big debate happened long ago. Dengeki magazines (Daioh, Gaoh, Moeoh, G's, Teioh, etc.; in Azumanga's case, it's the flagship Daioh) is mostly targeted towards male readers. However, instead of traditional "tsuyoku naritai" shounen titles or more serious seinen titles (such as those serialized in Afternoon), most of them are moe-oriented titles, which can attract teenage to middle-aged men. Thus it becomes very difficult to determine whether a title serialized in any of them is either shounen or seinen. Basically, they lack the stereotypical shounen elements, yet many of them have easygoing, cute-and-nothing-else storyline -- unlike your typical seinen either. Many websites categorize Dengeki magazines and manga serialized within (and their anime adaptations as well) as "shounen" simply because teen and preteen boys can enjoy many of them. Heck, when I ate shabu-shabu last night I saw a little boy sitting not far from my table, who's about 7-9 years old, reading FMP! manga. Marking all of them as "shounen," however, is very questionable in my opinion. Sidenote: the user who added "shounen" in Azumanga's Encyc entry was one of those "shounen spammers" i.e. user adds "shounen" to each and every title he watches/reads because he himself is a teenage boy and the rating system allows him to read them legally. I'm still thinking whether to take it down or not, for we have this sort of users every once in a while (about one in every season). |
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Gauss
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The trouble is that the ANN encyclopedia doesn't list Seinen (and Josei) as genres. So I think this is merely a case of somebody wanting to indicate the title is primarily aimed at males, but the only genre option available was Shounen. I'm not certain but I think this is deliberate to avoid the kind of confusion we see in this thread over what is Shounen and what is Seinen. Just imagine all the error reports encyclopedia staff would get.
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bennyb
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Fullmetal Alchemist, One Piece, Bleach. In that order. All have many great aspects of the show and although shonen series appeal to those of both genders, I'm sure. FMA has the most original storyline and is very well executed, OP I'm bias on because it's my favorite series for many reasons, Bleach is really... cool. Nothing that hasn't been really DONE before in one way or another, but really cool.
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Randall Miyashiro
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I couldn't agree with you more on these points. I really don't care for most of the Jump titles, although Sunday is a bit better. There seems to be so many fight the next villain series from them. My favorite Jump manga from the 80s that breaks a good amount of these molds would be City Hunter which only fills about half of the above criteria. My favorite Shonen Sunday manga is hands down Patlabor which only falls under one or two of the above. Of course this is why I love those series since most of the other Shonen tiles remind me too much of Dragon Ball, or the newer Naruto. As for more traditional Shonen anime, I will agree that Full Metal Alchemist would be my favorite. There is an amazing emotional bond which you can find between the Elric brothers and there mother which keeps me watching. Edward is very emotionally fragile in a way that I don't find in many other shonen "tough guy" titles. It seems rare when a main character from a shonen character will shed a tear, unless it's the silent stream of tears in a sports manga, or if he is slapped by a girl. FMA's amazing animation and score also tend to help. I also feel as though too many shonen series embark on a plot without a time limit on them. Events don't really escalate, for example Inuyasha can spend over 100 episodes searching for Jewel Shards. Many shows have nebulous goals that can be milked for many seasons. |
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Pinstrike
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DBZ is my favorite shonen series. And my favorite anime.
Naruto is repetitive. I don't see how it's not. |
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