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Bugnin



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:45 pm Reply with quote
Vaisaga wrote:
I get the feeling we'd see a Progressive adaptation before an Alicization one.


Which I would be all in favor for. Progressive is fantastic so far.

As this arc showed, SAO is better when Asuna is the main character. She's better-written. I don't hate Kirito at all, but he's pretty bland

The fleshed-out original arc is so much better than Reki's first edition. So much more of the original SAO world is explored, as well as Asuna's own transformation into a soldier.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:21 pm Reply with quote
Bugnin wrote:
Vaisaga wrote:
I get the feeling we'd see a Progressive adaptation before an Alicization one.


Which I would be all in favor for. Progressive is fantastic so far.

As showed, SAO is better when Leafa and Sinon are the main characters. They're better-written. I don't hate Kirito at all, but he's pretty bland.

The fleshed-out original arc is so much better than Reki's first edition. So much more of the original SAO world is explored, as well as Asuna's own transformation into a soldier.


Fixed for you. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:40 pm Reply with quote
Shikiari wrote:
Bugnin wrote:
Vaisaga wrote:
I get the feeling we'd see a Progressive adaptation before an Alicization one.


Which I would be all in favor for. Progressive is fantastic so far.

As showed, SAO is better when Leafa and Sinon are the main characters. They're better-written. I don't hate Kirito at all, but he's pretty bland.

The fleshed-out original arc is so much better than Reki's first edition. So much more of the original SAO world is explored, as well as Asuna's own transformation into a soldier.


Fixed for you. Wink


Leafa has nothing to her personality that isn't better done elsewhere.

Sinon is still my favorite SAO character, but I don't think she's capable of carrying an entire arc.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:52 pm Reply with quote
Bugnin wrote:
Shikiari wrote:
Bugnin wrote:
Vaisaga wrote:
I get the feeling we'd see a Progressive adaptation before an Alicization one.


Which I would be all in favor for. Progressive is fantastic so far.

As showed, SAO is better when Leafa and Sinon are the main characters. They're better-written. I don't hate Kirito at all, but he's pretty bland.

The fleshed-out original arc is so much better than Reki's first edition. So much more of the original SAO world is explored, as well as Asuna's own transformation into a soldier.


Fixed for you. Wink


Leafa has nothing to her personality that isn't better done elsewhere.

Sinon is still my favorite SAO character, but I don't think she's capable of carrying an entire arc.


I'm pretty sure she just did while Kirito was busy waving his purple lightsaber around while crying about the bad man in a mask... Wink ... And how dare you insult Leafa. You people just don't understand her or her deep emotions and I pity you all for it.

Just because Asuna is all TnA, totally perfect and the main love interest of this trivial and emotional tale, does not give you the right to discard the real heroines to Kirito's heart. Shame on you sir... Shame on you!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:58 pm Reply with quote
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... And how dare you insult Leafa. You people just don't understand her or her deep emotions and I pity you all for it.


I'm happy to say I'll never understand wanting to nail your brother. And thank god she's been practically written out of the series (or at least her obsession with him has)


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:59 pm Reply with quote
Bugnin wrote:
Leafa has nothing to her personality that isn't better done elsewhere.


I fail to see how this same statement doesn't also apply to Asuna. Or how it being done better elsewhere somehow makes it worthless.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:03 pm Reply with quote
Vaisaga wrote:
Bugnin wrote:
Leafa has nothing to her personality that isn't better done elsewhere.


I fail to see how this same statement doesn't also apply to Asuna. Or how it being done better elsewhere somehow makes it worthless.


It doens't make it worthless, just redundant and unnecessary as a MC.

Asuna is more of a natural leader. She's more self-driven. She's more empathetic. In essence she's the one that ties everyone together, not Kirito.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:08 pm Reply with quote
Leafa/Suguha is the best heroine because she has the best bewbs.

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Consider that my intellectual contribution to the thread for the day.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:16 pm Reply with quote
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Leafa/Suguha is the best heroine because she has the best bewbs.

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Consider that my intellectual contribution to the thread for the day.




I know Leafa... I'm completely shocked about this revelation too! Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:43 pm Reply with quote
Bugnin wrote:
Asuna is more of a natural leader. She's more self-driven. She's more empathetic. In essence she's the one that ties everyone together, not Kirito.


She's also not that relatable, particularly in the Aincrad arc where she's little more than Kirito's perfect girlfriend. We only get a brief glimpse of her character beyond that after the fishing thing where she plainly lays out the problems we never saw her working through and how Kirito changed her. We don't see her put in any effort to win Kirito over, he just loves her because he's supposed to.

With Suguha (and Lisbeth on a smaller scale), we see her struggling through her feelings and we're there with her every step of the way. It's much easier to identify and sympathise with her plight, as falling in love with some one you're not supposed to is a far more common delimma than being rich but not happy, or dealing with the trauma of killing some one.

Asuna is getting some pretty good development now, but for me it's definitely too little too late to drastically improve my opinion of her. My opinion of her was never negative to begin with, but she's never had a strong grip on my heart strings.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:48 pm Reply with quote
Vaisaga wrote:
Bugnin wrote:
Asuna is more of a natural leader. She's more self-driven. She's more empathetic. In essence she's the one that ties everyone together, not Kirito.


She's also not that relatable, particularly in the Aincrad arc where she's little more than Kirito's perfect girlfriend.


She's hardly perfect, though it seems like that's the go-to criticism for lack of anything better, I suppose.

Leafa isn't all that charismatic, or strong, or even smart. Her only role in this series was she was once in love with her own brother during the most hated arc SAO will ever have.

She was more or less T&A fodder for the otaku shut-ins that don't mind the incest angle. Glad to see the series has at least somewhat grown out of that.

She just sort of exists now. I don't think Reki has any idea what to do with her, like Lizabeth and Silica.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:39 pm Reply with quote
I'm not as up on SAO II as some here, but I thought that Suguha was Kirito's cousin, not his sister? It's just that they have a brother-sister like relationship - do I have that wrong?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:41 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
I'm not as up on SAO II as some here, but I thought that Suguha was Kirito's cousin, not his sister? It's just that they have a brother-sister like relationship - do I have that wrong?


No, you're right. Doesn't make it any less incest-y.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 7:04 pm Reply with quote
Oh, it completely does. Still squicky, of course, but there are definitely gradations and a cousin in love with another cousin, regardless of how close their relationship is figuratively, is less incest-y than a literal blood brother-sister dealio.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 7:43 pm Reply with quote
Bugnin wrote:
She's hardly perfect, though it seems like that's the go-to criticism for lack of anything better, I suppose.


Okay, name one time Asuna ever failed in her girlfriendly duties. She'd rather kill herself then live without him. She's just as big an otaku waifu bait as one might accuse Suguha of being.

Bugnin wrote:
Leafa isn't all that charismatic, or strong, or even smart. Her only role in this series was she was once in love with her own brother during the most hated arc SAO will ever have.


Hard to define charisma, but not strong? What about her being a kendo champ? And isn't she one of the strongest among the Silphs? I think her nickname is the Speed Holic or something, right? Just look at how happy she was riding Tonkii had high speeds while everyone else was flipping out. Not to mention how she fully supported Kirito despite being in pain the whole time. And she's big hearted enough to save a random monster when anyone else would have ignored it. Not smart? When has she shown to be dumb? In fact she's shown to be quite knowledgable about mythology.

So yeah, there's plenty more to her than just her feelings for her brother.

Bugnin wrote:
She just sort of exists now. I don't think Reki has any idea what to do with her, like Lizabeth and Silica.


That's Reki's fault, not Suguha's. Many authors create great characters but then do nothing with them.

Bugnin wrote:
No, you're right. Doesn't make it any less incest-y.


Actually, it does. Incest is a legal term and what is defined as such varies from place to place. In Japan marriages between cousins is legal and therefore not incestuous.

Incest taboos are so outdated in the first place. Perhaps one day such relationships will become tolerated like mix-raced and same-sex relations before it.
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