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MarthKoopa
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Rest in peace freedom of expression. The greedy corporations and banks get to decide everything
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BalmungHHQ
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I'm so tired of payment processors, man...
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DerekL1963
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Slowly but surely it's becoming against the ToS to age past 14.
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Beatdigga
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Great, more censors pressuring payment processors to restrict what people can buy with their own money.
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Glordit
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I don't know why steam just doesn't branch off and have another store which only accepts steam credit as payment and it can have as much and many NSFW games as it wants.
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Greed1914
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I'll refer to my previous question from the related stories: Why do people care so much what someone else buys with their own money?
Same. I guess someone convinced them that doing this is preferable to servicing their own customers who may end up paying interest on those purchases. You know, the basic premise of how credit card companies make their money. |
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Firefly251
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this is actually a good reason we need crypto or something that can't be owned by 1 company. |
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Top Gun
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It should be blatantly illegal for payment providers to refuse payment on purchases of completely-legal content. It's. Our. Money. They're just a middleman who's there so we don't have to mail physical checks all over the place.
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James Scryer
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People care because they want society to conform to their own beliefs and that involves not letting opposing viewpoints exist. Payment processors care because the former group of people care and are their customers. If enough people complain, they'll listen. I'm sure people have seen this comic at least once in their time online. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to sell your game on Steam. That's never been a right. It's always been a privilege. They can choose to remove that privilege anytime they want and anime fans know that all too well with the way Steam has removed or censored Japanese games in the past. This mindset seems to finally be affecting western works though as the list of games they banned with this announcement look to be western made games. Admittedly they look like cheap, asset flip shovelware games so I don't think a lot of people are going to care about those but it will be interesting to see if any high profile western games are effected. |
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jroa
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For the record: it's not the payment processors doing this out of pure chance.
It's the direct result of a campaign organized recently by an Australian radical feminist organization (yes, they're TERFs too). |
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Adv193
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Lucky for me I don't play M games at all, since there are some elements I disagree with and am not a fan of grotesque violence and the fact It makes it easier to be careful around children, especially when I am out of my house with a portable system.
The latter is also one of potential risks of children getting exposed to inappropriate content and the company getting sued. |
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Mune
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It is stupid that the courts have ruled this way. The problem is that the card companies can and do track transactions. So, they have a record of what was purchased. A way around this would be purchasing steam credit instead, like that of a gift card. The problem lies that the card companies can control what is being sold by regulating what is acceptable on their cards. The other part of this is that Steam already has policies against some things even being posted on their platform, and these policies have been in place for almost at least a decade. Have these polices gotten lax or is this a simply a bandaid to keep the card companies from pulling the plug entirely on Steam? I would also like to add that these games are works of fiction and for personal entertainment. If the content is illegal in a region, why not simply region lock the game? If the issue is that people us VPNs, then I don't know what to tell you. Someone is going to find a way to get it by any means. All this is doing is adding a barrier, in hopes it will deter people from partaking in consuming these types of media. |
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King Chicken
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No storefront is legally required to host any product they don't want to and in actuality forcing them to do so would violate far more rights and be a bigger moral and ethical issue than censorship. The only thing you can do is voice your opinion but the people who push for media bans are also voicing their opinions. It all comes down to who's more profitable to listen to. And sad to say but public opinion is not on your side if you're going to bat for "Sex With My Little Sister Simulator 4" so most companies are going to realize its in their best interest to listen to the everyday John and Jane Doe who finds that stuff weird or immoral and would refuse to shop at any store hosting said content.
Personally I do think people should just ignore the stuff they don't like rather than trying to get it banned but that's clearly not the world we live in nor has it ever been. |
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Yttrbio
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Not storefronts, payment processors. It's clear that Valve doesn't object to hosting these games, but pressure and legal threats against payment processors have warned them off of providing the financial infrastructure to allow Valve to do so.
Like secondary boycotts, this is a demand for third-party shunning and isolation of disapproved ideas. It's a dangerous game for a society that intends to operate with any unity to start demanding separate infrastructures (e.g. what happened with Twitter and its impacts on American politics) |
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Handyman 68
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This isn't true at all. Valve has pulled plenty of games in the past without feeling the need to hide behind payment processors. Full Metal Daemon Muramasa was denied a place on Steam but was welcome on GOG. They both use the same payment methods and companies so it's not VISA or Mastercard's fault. It's purely Steam not wanting it on their platform. It could just be one guy working at Steam that hates anime visual novels doing all the rejections and it technically should be allowed but either way Valve has objected to hosting certain games plenty of times in the past or forcing them to release non-porn versions and companies having to host unofficial R18 patches on their websites to circumvent the censorship. Valve has always sucked for visual novel fans. |
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