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The_Outsider
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I mean it tracks, their soulless corpo slop hasn't exactly been landing lately and they're running around like headless chickens, so they're definitely gonna try to cater to the anime crowd (or at least the casual fans that think anything with "big eyes/exaggerated facial expressions" is anime), before whatever they make predictably flops and they go back to Toy Story 25 or something. |
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Beatdigga
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We’re already seeing the arguments about what is authentic “anime” vs what streamers call such so people don’t immediately think of Family Guy. And I presume those arguments will only get more heated as people market adult animation that isn’t the usual fat dad comedies as anime.
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Hellsoldier
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I know Marina Hyde for her OP-EDs in The Guardian. Seeing that name kinda caught me by surprise.
Probably the future they're predicting will come true. By that time, it will be the cultural elements infused to each story that will be the only thing distinguishing the various anime-like content. |
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TokimekiCrisis
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Western animation has been emulating anime for numerous decades now. The early 2000s were rife with shows that tried to capitalize on it. Maybe there was a lull at some point and it's once again become more prevalent but I think the only difference nowadays is you're more likely to see shows aimed at adults that do it like Castlevania and Masters of the Universe where as before it was whatever was on Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, or Disney aimed at children.
It certainly doesn't help when you have creators and networks directly promoting their stuff as anime themselves and helping to fuel this trend. I don't know if K-Pop Demon Hunters ever tried to bill itself as anime (I never saw them do it myself) but I can believe there will be fans who treat it as such like with most media people enjoy and feel "anime" is a kind of prestigious label that their favorite works should have attached to it. |
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AsleepBySunset
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Nothing against Osman/whatever but I'm tired of people pushing the idea anime now means "prestige animation". First of all, if we want to say, western prestige animation, we should just call it that, "prestige animation".
Second of all, non of these faux-anime shows are actually all that similar to anime. Dragon Prince doesn't look anime, it looks like western fantasy art, I have a how to draw fantasy book which looks similar, and the writing style isn't anime whatsoever, yes, it's got a serialised plotline and anime has a serialised plotline but there are massive differences, first of all the western drama style cliffhangers, pretty much no anime, excluding maybe things deliberately tailored for netflix use these, second of all each season is a self contained story arc with a beginning middle and end, essentially it uses the "standalone with sequal potential" popular in western YA like harry potter, most anime are based on manga and light novels which aren't restricted into the standalone with sequal potential model. Avatar kinda sorta passes, but it doesn't actually look like classic anime, visually it's more similar to Tide Line Blue or Oban Star Racers. Kpop demon hunters doesn't look anime whatsoever, people must be on some kind of substance to think it does, it looks like disney or mass-manufactured dressup doll franchises (bratz, those my little pony human dolls) I personally think there is a lot to like about western animation, we shouldn't have to call western animation "anime" to enjoy it for what it is. Redwall is something japan never would've made, ernest and celestine, peter rabbit, secret of nimh, japan doesn't make these kinds of movies/shows. We shouldn't expect western animation to be anime, any more than we should expect, say, japanese anime comedy to be like the simpsons, family guy or rick and morty. |
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mdo7
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I'm a podcast listener/watcher (my podcast listening & watching habit cross various genres like documentary, news, political, audio drama/fiction), and I've never heard of this particular podcast until just now, so I'll give this one a listen when I have a chance. But I'm going to say this...
Beside being a long time anime fan of almost 20 years, I'm also a lifelong animation fan. So I know and have in-depth information on animation, and I have studied history of well-known animation studio like Disney. So I'm going to give my input and my thoughts/opinions on what is being talked about amongst all of you on ANN.
This wouldn't surprise me, since I've studied Disney older animation history, I'll say this could be a possibility given that and I assume many of you have either watch or are familiar with Silly Symphony. Now Silly Symphony is Walt Disney's way of doing experimentation with animation when it comes to special effect, dramatic storytelling, & new technologies. I mean for example, Flowers and Trees, was the first animated film and the first Disney animated to be in color using the three-strip Technicolor. Another groundbreaking Silly Symphony cartoon, The Old Mill was the first Disney animation (and animation in general) to be shot and done on the multiplane camera (if you don't know how it revolutionized 2D animation back then, watch this documentary short hosted by Walt himself). Disney animation in a long history are innovator and are responsible for groundbreaking and revolutionary technique found in today's animation. So the answer is yes, Disney could do future animation in anime-esque animation. And if it wasn't enough, several Disney animation are already throwing in nod and references to anime in their past work. I mean we've already discussed anime references in western media and I've already mentioned it on that thread. I mean you have Disney Channel's animated stuff referencing anime like Gravity Falls, Owl House, & Amphibia putting homages and references to anime like Evangelion, and one doing an homage to Gunbuster. So again, he's not wrong and we've seen and we know that is coming. It's not like American animation made homages and reference to anime before.
We've already been debating "what is anime" for some 20+ years, and this debate will not die down in anywhere in the near future, I think the argument and debate will go on for another 20 or 50 years when it comes to that debate. I mean I can spend many years discussing the definition of anime on any form not only on ANN. I've already created a thread on that under ANN's anime section. If any of these people want to debate on anime's definition, any or all of you can do that there. |
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ninjamitsuki
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Anime needs to be made in the anime region of Japan or else it's just sparkling cartoons.
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mdo7
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Uh yeah, good luck with that. Japan has already outsourced anime's animation to studio(s) outside of Japan (if not outside of Asia) already for the last 10-15 years. Also, expect more anime collaboration/co-productions with foreign countries in the near and upcoming future. |
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RedComet91
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I'd argue that anime isn't just the art and animation, however. The writing and production are still distinctly Japanese.
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AsleepBySunset
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I've already commented on this before... but since a lot of people are insinuating this, in your experience ARE there a mass of people in your life calling things which aren't anime "anime", especially of their own accord.
If so, which franchises which aren't anime have they referred to as anime Have they referred to any of the "popular honorary anime" as anime, you know, ATLA, dragon prince, castlevania have they watched literally any anime, excluding pokemon/yugioh/digimon/ghibli, as an adult have they watched any of these "faux" anime shows like castlevania did they refer to these franchises as anime because they literally mistake these for literal animation made in japan if they watched these shows assuming they were literally made in japan, did they specifically seek out a dub or sub, did they get confused if they couldn't find a japanese-subtitled version on their streaming service of choice, did they at some point realise these weren't made in japan how did they feel when they realised whatever cartoon they consumed wasn't made in japan, did their opinion change when they found out it wasn't made in japan did they continue to refer to it as anime I've said this time and time again, but pretty much no western animation actually looks mistakable for anime if you actually use your eyes. There just isn't this mass of animation produced in america or even france or whatever which passes as anime for this "mass confusion, mass blurred lines" to actually be happening. What's really happening is a bunch of random old people who don't like anime getting confused the same way many 7 year olds think pokemon is made in america and streamers referring to direct-to-streaming animated shows as "anime" as a sort of marketing buzzword. The idea people are just all, of their own accord calling dragon prince or whatever anime just seems so detached. Again, if you watch literally any anime you would notice dragon prince doesn't look like an anime. Why would you call it anime if it doesn't pass the "looks like" test. |
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Cardcaptor Takato
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We all know anime is action, sci-fi, comedy, totally unexpected, not kids stuff.
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Alphael
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Animaniacs producer Tom Ruegger one mentioned in an AMA that Pokémon was single-handedly responsible for killing Warner Brothers animation. I loved Animaniacs, Tiny Toons, Freakazoid, Pinky and the Brain, and all those shows so that's sad to hear but it does track from what I remember. During the late 90s and early 2000s we saw a lot of blocks importing and just airing anime over making their own stuff. Not only was it popular but it was certainly cheaper to license an anime than fund and produce a cartoon of your own. American studios wanted in and those that didn't license and air anime tried to make there own but none really took off like anime did especially on a global scale.
It's one of those things you only see online in niche nerd spaces.. I can't comment if it's "a lot" of people or not but you'll always see at least one person complain that Scott Pilgrim or Castlevania or Avatar or Cannon Busters or RWBY or something isn't being labeled anime in any kind of discussion. I remember there was a HUGE argument and whining from people wanting Shelter (the Porter Robinson music video) to be on MAL and labeled anime and I think they eventually did cave and put it on there. There ARE people out there that really argue this stuff. There's people still demanding Scott Pilgrim be added to MAL |
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Ryo Hazuki
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Do you count Iron Man 3 as a Hollywood or a South Asian film? |
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Top Gun
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I mean in the Scott Pilgrim case that's because it IS anime in every way that matters, and pretty much every other anime-tracking database besides MAL counts it as such. MAL already has multiple co-production entries that are arguably less "anime" than it. But when that was brought to the database moderators' attention, the response was along the lines of "lalala not listening!" It was a very dumb situation. |
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mdo7
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Are you referring to the China-only specific scene that was shot for the Chinese market? Because that doesn't count as co-production, and by your logic, are you saying that Hollywood doing multiple-language version of their films don't count as Hollywood film at all? Are you saying the 1931 Dracula (Spanish-language version) with a different cast from the original English-language cast (the one with Bela Lugosi) is not a Hollywood film at all, is that what you're implying? |
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