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EmeraldSaucer
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 9:07 pm |
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I think this would be a perfectly reasonable ad, IF it was made purely in Japanese for a strictly Japanese audience. But the fact that they bothered to make an English version immediately opens it up to scrutiny, like how many of the series shown such as Kinnikuman have no actual means of supporting an official release internationally and the only way people have to experience them is through piracy. Which kinda defeats the attempt at a point here
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 9:09 pm |
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Now do an anti AI ad.
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mdo7
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 9:22 pm |
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| Cardcaptor Takato wrote: | | Now do an anti AI ad. |
Same here!!! I'm a little horrified that anime and manga are resorting to generative A.I, so we need to remind people that no to A.I for generative or creative purpose.
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Blaze_1013
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 9:45 pm |
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It will always be funny to me to see Luffy used in an anti-piracy ad.
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Rodem
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 10:28 pm |
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On the topic of piracy, the one thing I reeeeeeally want to know is what the “ai translation” llms, these “waaaa piracy bad” companies are funding/using, are trained on. Because it seems like all LLMs are trained on pirated works, even those that claim to not be.
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Wyvern
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 12:47 am |
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| Rodem wrote: | | On the topic of piracy, the one thing I reeeeeeally want to know is what the “ai translation” llms, these “waaaa piracy bad” companies are funding/using, are trained on. Because it seems like all LLMs are trained on pirated works, even those that claim to not be. |
Exactly, AI literally can't exist without plagiarism, but since LLMs are basically industrial-scale piracy for rich people, no one makes any ads scolding them about it.
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kgw
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 5:39 am |
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| EmeraldSaucer wrote: | | I think this would be a perfectly reasonable ad, IF it was made purely in Japanese for a strictly Japanese audience. But the fact that they bothered to make an English version immediately opens it up to scrutiny, like how many of the series shown such as Kinnikuman have no actual means of supporting an official release internationally and the only way people have to experience them is through piracy. Which kinda defeats the attempt at a point here |
You can buy Kinnikuman in other languages. I bought Mitsuru Adachi's mangas from Italy or Japan because nobody published them in my country.
Let's be honest. Shueisha releases the whole Shōnen Jump in their Manga Plus app, for free, and still people pirate their mangas. To some people (not meaning you) there will be always a reason to pirate
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Exactly, AI literally can't exist without plagiarism, but since LLMs are basically industrial-scale piracy for rich people, no one makes any ads scolding them about it. |
Sorry? Do you mean Orange that are funded by Japanese companies and got license deals with Japanese publishers? Or their branch "Mikan Studios" that translates for Shueisha?
And, if memory serves me well, was not a declaration of several Japanese publishers and Shueisha on its own against "unauthorized"* use of their mangas for Ai training?
*Mind the wording
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EmeraldSaucer
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 5:44 am |
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| kgw wrote: | | EmeraldSaucer wrote: | | I think this would be a perfectly reasonable ad, IF it was made purely in Japanese for a strictly Japanese audience. But the fact that they bothered to make an English version immediately opens it up to scrutiny, like how many of the series shown such as Kinnikuman have no actual means of supporting an official release internationally and the only way people have to experience them is through piracy. Which kinda defeats the attempt at a point here |
You can buy Kinnikuman in other languages. I bought Mitsuru Adachi's mangas from Italy or Japan because nobody published them in my country.
Let's be honest. Shueisha releases the whole Shōnen Jump in their Manga Plus app, for free, and still people pirate their mangas. To some people (not meaning you) there will be always a reason to pirate |
The point is that it's an advert they made an English version of featuring multiple manga not available in English through official means, don't be pedantic. And whether or not some people will pirate regardless is irrelevant; as Gabe Newell said long ago piracy is primarily a service issue, and in this case the license holders for these series are complaining about piracy without actually providing people a means to give them money (again, because they chose to frame this from a global perspective rather than just an ad targeting Japanese consumers)
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kgw
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 5:53 am |
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| EmeraldSaucer wrote: | | as Gabe Newell said long ago piracy is primarily a service issue, and in this case the license holders for these series are complaining about piracy without actually providing people a means to give them money (again, because they chose to frame this from a global perspective rather than just an ad targeting Japanese consumers) |
I don't know who is that person, nor I care, and I do not buy it: nobody stops anyone from buying manga from Japan. It is simply that they want it for free and in their languages and now.
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EmeraldSaucer
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 5:57 am |
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| kgw wrote: | | EmeraldSaucer wrote: | | as Gabe Newell said long ago piracy is primarily a service issue, and in this case the license holders for these series are complaining about piracy without actually providing people a means to give them money (again, because they chose to frame this from a global perspective rather than just an ad targeting Japanese consumers) |
I don't know who is that person, nor I care, and I do not buy it: nobody stops anyone from buying manga from Japan. It is simply that they want it for free and in their languages and now. |
Just like nobody would ever pay for games when they can just pirate them for free. Except for when Gabe and Valve created Steam and it became massively successful to the point of being an effective monopoly because it turns out if you give people the means to easily buy games they will buy them
But your point of comparison here makes zero sense. People generally buy manga because they want to read it, the vast majority of people are not going to buy manga in a language they can't read and that has literally nothing to do with piracy or the prevalence thereof (besides what I've already outlined about how companies are failing to meet a demand by not translating more manga yet complaining when people then find other avenues)
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FishLion
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 7:47 am |
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| kgw wrote: | |
Sorry? Do you mean Orange that are funded by Japanese companies and got license deals with Japanese publishers? Or their branch "Mikan Studios" that translates for Shueisha?
And, if memory serves me well, was not a declaration of several Japanese publishers and Shueisha on its own against "unauthorized"* use of their mangas for Ai training?
*Mind the wording |
People are calling AI large scale piracy because it is only possible by scraping content the companies don't own.
Even if Shueisha makes a deal giving Orange rights to all Shueisha manga for training translation for their work, AI scrapes manga from every other company including free webcomics online and copies them wholesale in order to make AI function the way it does. Anyone who makes a single AI translation has indirectly stolen from and profited on the labor of every other artist on the internet. Companies who make more continue To steal every time they make a new translation (it has to break copyright protections every time it references examples for new generations) and have once again stolen more work than I could in a lifetime.
So if they are going to pirate every comic online every time they make an AI translation to save money by not putting in effort that is their right because a business essentially laundered the stolen content so the company can claim deniability, but I as a consumer will be scolded for not buying the $200 dollar english print edition of Kinnikuman they haven't reprinted any time recently? They are clearly saying there's different rules for us schlubs who who have no control over when manga are reprinted and the companies actively stealing to power their product but that's fine somehow.
I would actually totally give up reading obscure manga I could never find or afford in my home country if they promise to stop stealing from other authors, but I doubt they would even admit that's what it is, but as long as they are freely stealing from everyone I'm not going to care about a cartoon character crying over pirated works. Piracy is never a moral high ground, but these companies certainly don't have any moral claim that they are better than the pirates or are harmed by the theft if they act that cavalier stealing the work of others.
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kgw
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 8:24 am |
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| EmeraldSaucer wrote: | |
Just like nobody would ever pay for games when they can just pirate them for free. | That's not what I have said.
| EmeraldSaucer wrote: | | But your point of comparison here makes zero sense. People generally buy manga because they want to read it, the vast majority of people are not going to buy manga in a language they can't read and that has literally nothing to do with piracy or the prevalence thereof (besides what I've already outlined about how companies are failing to meet a demand by not translating more manga yet complaining when people then find other avenues) |
I am not surprised that companies complain because some people pirates their content (well, their authors') without permission and without paying. Specially since there is, as I said, legal alternatives, even some for free. You can buy to a publisher in other country (in English, French, Italian, Spanish…), or to the original publisher. Or asking your local publisher, after all nowadays they are publishing almost everything -at least between Europe and the US. I offered some solutions, what are yours?
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GATSU
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 9:01 am |
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Regarding Kinnikuman, I've seen the manga uploaded to YouTube in the past. Anyway, you can legally watch the Netflix anime and get Ultimate Muscle from Discotek for now...
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Uchay
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 1:18 pm |
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I legitmately wonder how many of those series will still be easily accessible through official means 100 years from now. We already have issues with older, obscure series (and even some newer series, like ReCreators) being completely unavailable to watch, and that's not factoring the complication with different regions.
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EmeraldSaucer
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 3:16 pm |
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| kgw wrote: | | That's not what I have said. |
Yes, that's because I am making a comparison building off my prior mention of Gabe Newell. You said you don't buy something like this could happen, I gave you a concrete example of it happening elsewhere when a company actually addresses piracy as a service issue (where people are happy to pay money once they are offered a service to easily do so)
| Quote: | | I am not surprised that companies complain because some people pirates their content (well, their authors') without permission and without paying. Specially since there is, as I said, legal alternatives, even some for free. You can buy to a publisher in other country (in English, French, Italian, Spanish…), or to the original publisher. Or asking your local publisher, after all nowadays they are publishing almost everything -at least between Europe and the US. I offered some solutions, what are yours? |
The "legal alternative" you suggested is literally to buy manga in a language that someone can't read. In other words, your "alternative" is for people to buy a useless brick because... I don't know, you feel the need to be contrarian and go to bat for corporations? It's honestly very confusing, since you seem to not be able to grasp something as simple as "corporations should be the ones to take the initiative and provide the service if they want the money, the consumer shouldn't need to take half-measures", considering you're asking me for solutions when from my very first post I've gone on about the obvious solution of just providing translations to consumers. Or if they don't, at least don't then contribute to anti-piracy ads featuring those series lmao
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