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Edjwald
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I dunno, if the idea was to just have the replica go beat however many shades of hell out of the douchebag (from crippling to death) it seems a little odd that the original would have waited so long.
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Edjwald
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Welp, the revenge wasn't quite what I pictured, and I have no idea where the replica situation is headed, but I sure didn't expect it to head in the direction it went in at the end of this episode. Definitely coming back next week.
I will say this, the anime keeps me guessing. Sometimes the atmosphere is so sad that I wonder if it's a morbid curiosity, but the anime is definitely its own thing. And um, that wasn't a replica reference. |
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Thesarum
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Well, that's the expected cliffhanger I guess. I think relative to the earlier episodes we've relaxed the pace slightly this episode, which is clearly necessary (though it's a shame the animation can't quite do that slower pace proper justice, that basketball game was very stiff). We had a bunch of replica exposition to do. And a dirtbag to humiliate. You should never rush that!
I might go back to the books again to see how Hironaka is totally unfazed by being in a group chat with two people who are present and very much not on their phones is explained. Also, there's a bit of a phone count issue - we know Nao doesn't have her own, so Sunao must currently have that... and therefore Aki must have his own phone, purchased with... Sanada's money? |
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Gina Szanboti
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Wow, dirtbag is even dirtierbaggy than we knew. And Sanada's plan did need an alibi. And Aki's leg does hurt (so why does Sanada's seem to hurt him more? He can barely stand on it. And since Aki's also feeling Sanada's pain, shouldn't he be in pain more often than we see?).
Hmmm, I think there's going to have to be some cockadoodie type shenanigans for Nao to survive.  Even if she can be "rereplicated" after "dying," it would be hard to explain her away after witnesses seeing her splattered all over the tracks. Sunao herself would have some serious 'splainin' to do as to how she is still alive.
Also, Nao must be hella strong to pull off that maneuver. 
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Yttrbio
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I don't think they're linked that way. Instead, I think the replica appears in whatever state the original is in, but can then change. Since Sanada's clone hasn't been recreated at all, he might have just been doing the physical therapy so that he's at least functional. |
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Gina Szanboti
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Isn't that what the originals learned this ep? That their replicas feel their pain? When Sunao gets sick, Nao also medicates herself so that she can go to school. Maybe Aki is going to PT, but he still hurts when Sanada does.
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Yttrbio
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Maybe. I understood it as "When they materialize, they have the same problems I have," not "they have an ongoing link that shares pain." But I could be wrong.
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Thesarum
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Nao is sick at the same time as Sunao because she is re-initalised as a copy each morning. She gets the latest updates on Sunao's memories, clothes and physical status. Aki doesn't, he's had a persistent existence for serval months. This is why he joked about getting "chubby" if Sanada did resummon him. So he had the original injury, but unlike his original has done the work and battled through the pain to rehabilitation. The specific rules and mechanics of all this are a bit fuzzy, because the story is much more interested in the emotional weight of the idea that the originals pushed all their problems onto the replicas and then had the gall to be jealous of how much easier they had things, having never bothered to ask. And the replicas, for their part, putting up with it because being of service to the original is in some way hard-wired into their makeup. So Nao would never bring this up to defend herself, but will for Aki. |
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Thesarum
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Ep5, And LN1: Fin!
Which, really, is kinda where I was expecting the whole season to wrap up. Sure, there are plenty unanswered questions, but we've established a new equilibrium between our main cast. Aki's arc is somewhat complete with Nao putting the frighteners on Hayase and delivering the final stroke of Sanada's revenge. Sunao and Nao have a better understanding of each other, and Sunao has demonstrated that along with the jealousy and depression, she's got a deep strand of care and affection for Nao. And Ricchan knew all along.(Of course she did, really. A cute extra detail from the book: The Pretz she's always offering? Only Nao likes those. Sunao likes Pocky. Ricchan always carries both and Nao didn't realise the significance of this until this moment). Ricchan's novel is submitted to the competition, and it's implied that she and Sunao have made up properly in a way that Sunao never really felt she'd earned, despite it being Nao's origin story, and so had never really reconnected with her friend. We're setting out towards an unknown but hopeful future! (Or we would be, if this wasn't Ep5, and we didn't have an ominous unconscious girl in a hospital bed to worry about) And replicas really are Rascal-style quantum apparitions. They have physical presence in the world while summoned, but can also vanish into nothing on command (or some other conditions that aren't clear but in some way include taking fatal damage). There's no other obvious way that the shoes and clothes make their way onto the track but there's no body or blood after the accident. |
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Gina Szanboti
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So if Nao had walked into the sea as planned, Sunao would have to ask her parents for another uniform in the space of just two days. Way to be helpful, Nao!
Seriously though, what was she expecting? If getting blenderized by a train wasn't enough to finish her off, why would drowning? |
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Thesarum
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I suppose suicide is rarely a rational response. I this case I guess it's mostly an emotional howl of protest about the unfairness of Nao's existence, that she doesn't even have control over whether does or doesn't on any given day. Over the course of the story she's developed a stronger sense of herself with desires outside of the imprinted need to help her Original. She of course has always understood her transient nature, but she's also started to think of herself as a person. And this incident really drives home all the ways in which she isn't. She doesn't want to be dead as such, but if she can't die, can she really be called alive? |
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Thesarum
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Ep6: The Ol' "Save the Literature Club" arc.
Bit of a transitional episode, so there's not a whole lot going on besides some fluffy relationship feels between Nao and Aki. We do get to meet a couple of new characters, Mori and Mochizuki. They've got their own stuff going on, though we don't get much more than a few hints of what that might be. We do get the random flyer bomb, which is giving poor Nao panic attacks assuming someone must know her secrets. And Ricchan is some genius level mastermind behind all that bubble! Having figured out the whole replica deal years ago, and scraping together enough intel in an afternoon to present Mochizuki with an offer he couldn't refuse. Don't get on the wrong side of this girl! The vignette is still annoying. |
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Edjwald
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Geez, Imma behind on my anime. Anyway, my takeaway from the last two episodes was a Star Trek memory. Bones once explained that the reason he hated going on transporters was because they weren't really transporting people. They were destroying the original copy and then recreating a new copy across the universe using a molecule assembler to convert molecules from that environment into an exact match. Every time someone used the transporter, they were essentially committing suicide while a clone across the universe took over their job.
Nao is convinced that not only she is a replica, but after her death, she became a clone, or a replica of a replica. And for all she knows, every time she gets summoned and resummoned, that version of her gets destroyed and xeroxed. It was too much existential mindmuck for someone who already has identity issues. So drowning herself (A) might have some permanent effect because of the myth. I mean, who knows why werewolves can be killed by silver bullets? Why do vampires get torched by sunlight? Drowning might be doppelganger's kryptonite. (B) She really might be committing suicide and passing her issues on to the next clone. We're getting into souls versus memory being a bunch of chemical discs territory. That said, I'm enjoying the metaphysical and physics explorations though this is a slowburn kind of an anime. |
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Gina Szanboti
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Ep 7
I can't get over the fact that Nao didn't ask what happened to the original Mori that apparently has her on her death bed or adjacent. She didn't even seem shocked to hear the situation Mori wanted answers for. So it was Mori in the bed at the end of Ep 5. Do her parents know about replica Mori? Wouldn't they have informed the school otherwise? How is it that the school/teachers don't know she ought not to be in school since she's in a coma? Or is she? Comatose people don't normally smile, do they? It's too bad Mochizuki is waiting for an answer from someone who doesn't know she was ever asked the question. |
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Thesarum
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#Spoiler itch Ep7: Who amongst us is not a replica? The flyer bomber wasn't attacking Nao and Aki at all! They were outing themselves. Kinda? A frustrated cry for help. In terms of Nao's reaction... I think mostly it's that she's too shocked by the barrage of questions to form a coherent response. But also the need to "help the Original" is somehow hard-wired into replica personalities. Like Asimov's 3 rules. So Nao totally understands Mori's desire to sacrifice herself or otherwise take on her original's fate. That element isn't really surprising to her. Both her and Aki have gone through less dramatic versions of the same thing. The timing of replica Mori's creation isn't clear, but either way the replica must know about Mochizuki asking her out. She probably feels unable to provide an answer though - it was never intended for her, and the one it was intended for might never get the opportunity. |
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